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grandpa · Jun 20, 2006, 02:58 pm

I'm doing a poll based on Alex Comfort's views on power and obedience.
Please answer the question as honestly as possible.

Grandpa h.

Autolykos · Jun 20, 2006, 03:44 pm

With all due respect, I find your poll to be problematic. First off, you are not sufficiently specific in the question. Who are you referring to when you say "the desire for obedience"? Those who want to obey, or those who want to be obeyed? Second, I consider the possible answers to be inadequate, as I do not agree with any of them.

- Rob

Osborn F Enready · Jun 21, 2006, 09:50 am

I answered as I did due to the limitation of choices. As with most polls, its pretty vague and not really representative across the board.

I will still play along though.

Milton Bradley · Jun 21, 2006, 10:17 am

Quote:

Quote by: Osborn F Enready

I answered as I did due to the limitation of choices. As with most polls, its pretty vague and not really representative across the board.

I will still play along though.

That about sums it up, and, like Osborn, I'll play along as well.

abub · Jun 26, 2006, 11:16 pm

i'd like to steal a neat quote by mr. orwell to answer this question...

"The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. How does one man assert his power over another. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is inflicting pain and humiliation. A world of fear and treachery and torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but more merciless as it refines itself. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."

McAiden · Jul 6, 2006, 09:02 pm

Depends on who you would like, or not like, to obey - or to have obey you.
Obedience is a screwed up word. Nobody should aspire to be obedient. Sounds like a cult religion

Milton Bradley · Jul 7, 2006, 05:59 am

I think Gramps has given up on this thread, and the issue he was trying to riase.

fluffy · Jul 19, 2006, 10:32 pm

Strange Poll

An acceptance of the domination of others

Obedience isnt particulary about domination, it could also be about smart thinking.

Childhood behavior (security of status via submission)

We can still be obedient as adults??

A means of reconciling sadism

Dont get it!

A positive duty, inculcated by tradition

This one was closest for me - Obedience realtes more to performance, performing well, is a postive duty for me.

View Poll Results: The desire for obedience is best described as
An acceptance of the domination of others	0	0%
Childhood behavior (security of status via submission)	4	66.67%
A means of reconciling sadism	1	16.67%
A positive duty, inculcated by tradition	1	16.67%
Voters: 6. You may not vote

Jun 20, 2006, 02:58 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
grandpa blasphemer Location: Michigan Posts: 7,244	Power and Obedience I'm doing a poll based on Alex Comfort's views on power and obedience. Please answer the question as honestly as possible. Grandpa h. Political language ... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. – George Orwell

Jun 20, 2006, 03:44 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Autolykos Logical Phallussy Location: In your internets. Posts: 2,991	With all due respect, I find your poll to be problematic. First off, you are not sufficiently specific in the question. Who are you referring to when you say "the desire for obedience"? Those who want to obey, or those who want to be obeyed? Second, I consider the possible answers to be inadequate, as I do not agree with any of them. - Rob "I'd rather be free and alive!" -- Ron Paul Religion isn't the greatest threat to mankind -- authoritarianism is. The Anarcheion Zeitgeist

Jun 21, 2006, 09:50 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	I answered as I did due to the limitation of choices. As with most polls, its pretty vague and not really representative across the board. I will still play along though. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Jul 19, 2006, 10:32 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
fluffy Kitty Meow Location: On on your lap Posts: 22	Strange Poll An acceptance of the domination of others Obedience isnt particulary about domination, it could also be about smart thinking. Childhood behavior (security of status via submission) We can still be obedient as adults?? A means of reconciling sadism Dont get it! A positive duty, inculcated by tradition This one was closest for me - Obedience realtes more to performance, performing well, is a postive duty for me. How about that?

Jun 26, 2006, 11:16 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
abub trendsetter Location: cleveland Posts: 317	i'd like to steal a neat quote by mr. orwell to answer this question... "The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. How does one man assert his power over another. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is inflicting pain and humiliation. A world of fear and treachery and torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but more merciless as it refines itself. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."

Jul 6, 2006, 09:02 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
McAiden Igneous Magma Location: In the hot state Posts: 191	Depends on who you would like, or not like, to obey - or to have obey you. Obedience is a screwed up word. Nobody should aspire to be obedient. Sounds like a cult religion

Jul 7, 2006, 05:59 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
Milton Bradley BANNED Location: Ohio Province, Rep. of Comerica Posts: 7,320	I think Gramps has given up on this thread, and the issue he was trying to riase.