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Apr 21, 2004, 08:27 pm

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Originally posted by Mia,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mia,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Giancarlo,
So why is it right for you to discriminate against someone based solely on their sexual attraction/preference/lifestyle/whatever but no one else seems to have that right?

The point is you are against him doing so yet you do yourself. Hello?[/b][/quote]

No you wake the hell up, I have the right to have my opinions. Now why don't you respond to my previous post?

Mia · Apr 21, 2004, 08:29 pm

I would, except you have not addressed the central questions and points in this topic unless you think emotion and insults are arguments.

Apr 21, 2004, 08:31 pm

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Originally posted by Mia,
I would, except you have not addressed the central questions and points in this topic unless you think emotion and insults are arguments.

Your "central questions" are nothing but crap.

Mia · Apr 21, 2004, 08:34 pm

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Originally posted by Giancarlo,
I already said my morality influences me.

Mia:

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I find it quite outstanding in your case, Giancarlo. One would expect you to be open to the differences of others. And for you to have at least the desire to examine this bias you have and determine whether it is correct.

Why? You support gay marriage right, and do not support polygamy? Right? Why can't I believe the same thing?

I'm not responding to ConservativeX anymore.

As I stated, once the point was raised I questioned my bias and found I have no basis for it. It took me a long time to accept gay marriage so maybe later I will accept polygamy. Or reverse my position on gays. I certainy have to do one or the other to be consistant.

You, however, blindly continue to hold your bias without any basis for it. That's human and allowed. But to keep insisting that you are somehow RIGHT, in that your bias should affect other people, is exactly the same as the people who oppose YOUR right to marry but somehow you don't see this.

Mia · Apr 21, 2004, 08:35 pm

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Originally posted by Giancarlo,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Giancarlo,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Mia,
I would, except you have not addressed the central questions and points in this topic unless you think emotion and insults are arguments.

Your "central questions" are nothing but crap.[/b][/quote]

Not an argument.

Mia · Apr 21, 2004, 08:36 pm

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Originally posted by Giancarlo,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Giancarlo,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-ConservativeX,
You weren't to start with.

Yeah I'm pretty much ignoring you since you are just another troll.[/b][/quote]

Not an argument. PS, when you ignore someone you don't post to them.

Apr 21, 2004, 08:37 pm

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Originally posted by Mia,

As I stated, once the point was raised I questioned my bias and found I have no basis for it. It took me a long time to accept gay marriage so maybe later I will accept polygamy. Or reverse my position on gays. I certainy have to do one or the other to be consistant.

You, however, blindly continue to hold your bias without any basis for it. That's human and allowed. But to keep insisting that you are somehow RIGHT, in that your bias should affect other people, is exactly the same as the people who oppose YOUR right to marry but somehow you don't see this.

So I am not allowed to have these opinions because I am gay, and that would make me a hypocrite? I'm sorry I don't quite follow that kind of logic. I don't give a damn about what you people think...

Paavo · Apr 21, 2004, 08:38 pm

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Originally posted by Giancarlo,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Giancarlo,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Mia,
I would, except you have not addressed the central questions and points in this topic unless you think emotion and insults are arguments.

Your "central questions" are nothing but crap.[/b][/quote]

Read the rules for the seventeenth time, or get out of here.

I see this lame pattern;

Someone: "I like X"
You: "I DON'T"
Someone: "Alright, why?"
You: "Because it's my opinion"
Someone: "That's cool, but care to explain why it is that?"
You: "Nope"
Someone: "umm....so why are you posting this on the 'net, then?"
You: "BECAUSE YOU'RE STUPID, THAT'S WHY. NO GO DIE"
Someone: "Take it easy, no need for personal insults! Just answer my question"
You: "I don't need to, so there!"

STOP!

Apr 21, 2004, 08:52 pm

I don't need to answer non-existent questions.

ConservativeX · Apr 21, 2004, 08:57 pm

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Originally posted by Mia,
As I stated, once the point was raised I questioned my bias and found I have no basis for it. It took me a long time to accept gay marriage so maybe later I will accept polygamy. Or reverse my position on gays. I certainy have to do one or the other to be consistant.

Mia, your morals are a part of who you are. You use them every day to judge not only people, but events.

Trying to exorcise your morality from your beliefs is like trying to cut your face off; the result is less than you really are.

You are right about consistency, though. Consistency is a result of knowing who you are.

I disagree with you on the principle of this issue, but I would wholeheartedly suggest to find out exactly where you do stand, morals and all and then be yourself, regardless whether you end up agreeing with me or not.

ConservativeX · Apr 21, 2004, 08:59 pm

And the REAL test of whether or not you accept polygamy as a legitimate lifestyle will be if you are married and talk to your husband about the issue.

Apr 21, 2004, 09:03 pm

You know what? I'm going on a date on Saturday with my boyfriend and I'll ask him what he thinks about this. I'll get back to you with an answer.

ConservativeX · Apr 21, 2004, 09:09 pm

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Originally posted by Giancarlo,
You know what? I'm going on a date on Saturday with my boyfriend and I'll ask him what he thinks about this. I'll get back to you with an answer.

Will you discriminate against him if you find out he practices polygamy?

Apr 21, 2004, 09:10 pm

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Originally posted by ConservativeX,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ConservativeX,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Giancarlo,
You know what? I'm going on a date on Saturday with my boyfriend and I'll ask him what he thinks about this. I'll get back to you with an answer.

Will you discriminate against him if you find out he practices polygamy?[/b][/quote]

He doesn't. He already told me he was totally committed to me and wanted to be with one special guy. What's wrong with you? Trying to get me to dump him? You're a sick man.

ConservativeX · Apr 21, 2004, 09:11 pm

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Quote by: Giancarlo,

Will you discriminate against him if you find out he practices polygamy?

He doesn't. He already told me he was totally committed to me and wanted to be with one special guy. What's wrong with you? Trying to get me to dump him? You're a sick man.[/quote]

Careful, you're using your morality to label me.

And the question remains: What if he DID believe in polygamy?

Would you discriminate against him, yes or no?

Apr 21, 2004, 09:12 pm

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Originally posted by ConservativeX,

Careful, you're using your morality to label me.

And the question remains: What if he DID believe in polygamy?

Would you discriminate against him, yes or no?

I already talked to him about it.. he wants to be with one special person, not anymore then one. He's not promiscious. Neither am I.

I won't answer that question. Don't try to mess with my mind.

ConservativeX · Apr 21, 2004, 09:16 pm

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Quote by: Giancarlo,

Would you discriminate against him, yes or no?

I already talked to him about it.. he wants to be with one special person, not anymore then one. He's not promiscious. Neither am I.

I won't answer that question. Don't try to mess with my mind.[/quote]

Why do you consider questions about your own moral stands attempts at "messing with your mind"?

Don't you know who you are?

Apr 21, 2004, 09:17 pm

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Originally posted by ConservativeX,

Why do you consider questions about your own moral stands attempts at "messing with your mind"?

Don't you know who you are?

I don't like your circular questioning.. my boyfriend is loyal to me and I know that for sure. So stop trying to question me because I will not move one inch. Not one step back.

It seems like you don't know who you are.

ConservativeX · Apr 21, 2004, 09:19 pm

This has nothing to do with moving on an issue; it deals with the basic understanding of who we really are.

It would appear to me that if you are non-discriminatory against polygamists as you claim, that you would have no trouble answering the question "no".

But the fact that you won't leads me to believe that you either don't really know, or don't want to dwell on the possibility of your answer being "yes".

Apr 21, 2004, 09:21 pm

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Originally posted by ConservativeX,
This has nothing to do with moving on an issue; it deals with the basic understanding of who we really are.

We are human... and we got opinions.. now move on to something else.

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But the fact that you won't leads me to believe that you either don't really know, or don't want to dwell on the possibility of your answer being "yes".

I do know. I will answer "NO" to this. I don't like it when my significant other is unfaithful to me.

Apr 21, 2004, 08:29 pm	#82 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	I would, except you have not addressed the central questions and points in this topic unless you think emotion and insults are arguments. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Apr 21, 2004, 08:59 pm	#91 (permalink) (top)
ConservativeX Igneous Magma Posts: 259	And the REAL test of whether or not you accept polygamy as a legitimate lifestyle will be if you are married and talk to your husband about the issue. The foundation of the Constitution is laid on the 10th Amendment. To take a single step beyond is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition - JEFFERSON

Apr 21, 2004, 09:19 pm	#99 (permalink) (top)
ConservativeX Igneous Magma Posts: 259	This has nothing to do with moving on an issue; it deals with the basic understanding of who we really are. It would appear to me that if you are non-discriminatory against polygamists as you claim, that you would have no trouble answering the question "no". But the fact that you won't leads me to believe that you either don't really know, or don't want to dwell on the possibility of your answer being "yes". The foundation of the Constitution is laid on the 10th Amendment. To take a single step beyond is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition - JEFFERSON

Apr 21, 2004, 08:52 pm	#89 (permalink) (top)
Giancarlo Guest Posts: n/a	I don't need to answer non-existent questions.

Apr 21, 2004, 09:03 pm	#92 (permalink) (top)
Giancarlo Guest Posts: n/a	You know what? I'm going on a date on Saturday with my boyfriend and I'll ask him what he thinks about this. I'll get back to you with an answer.