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ConservativeX · Apr 21, 2004, 08:56 pm

Were you comparing heterosexuals to polygamists?

I thought that was wrong in your book.

Oh wait, I forgot; it's okay for you to do something, but no one else...

:rolleyes:

ConservativeX · Apr 21, 2004, 08:58 pm

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Originally posted by Giancarlo,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Giancarlo,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Mia,
I suggest we quit trying to make Giancarlo see something he is unwilling to. He is biased and refuses to look at the topic objectively.

YOU PEOPLE CANNOT LOOK AT THINGS OBJECTIVELY. You actually think you are the ultimate sources of objectively? You are biased as hell, and some of you would like to see gays marched off to death camps. Schutzstaffel anybody?\

Oh by the way, heterosexuality is more similiar to polygamy, then homosexuality.[/b][/quote]

Thought I would quote you before you edit it again.

No one hear has said anything about marching gays off to death camps.

In fact, the ONLY person here who has said they favor someone being shot solely based on their sexual attraction is YOU.

You said it quite a few times, in fact.

Mia · Apr 21, 2004, 08:58 pm

Have you ever even seen such blatent double-standards? Most people try to cover it up when they have them ....

ConservativeX · Apr 21, 2004, 08:59 pm

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Originally posted by Mia,
Have you ever even seen such blatent double-standards? Most people try to cover it up when they have them ....

Yep...

Mia · Apr 21, 2004, 09:00 pm

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Originally posted by Giancarlo,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Giancarlo,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-ConservativeX,
And you didn't change the basis on which he used it, either.

Good example, showing him that his statements don't hold up when applied anywhere else.

You are wrong. Dead wrong. You are misusing my statements. You should go hit yourself in the head repeatably.[/b][/quote]

Not only that, but people intolerant of his intolerance should harm themselves...

Apr 21, 2004, 09:00 pm

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Originally posted by ConservativeX,

Thought I would quote you before you edit it again.

No one hear has said anything about marching gays off to death camps.

In fact, the ONLY person here who has said they favor someone being shot solely based on their sexual attraction is YOU.

You said it quite a few times, in fact.

Then why are you comparing polygamists to homosexuals?

Polygamy isn't a sexual orientation.

The only double standards are in you nutcases. What are you expecting me to do? Accept polygamy? What for?

Mia · Apr 21, 2004, 09:02 pm

Yeah, and why should I accept homosexuality? You have yet to explain why one should be allowed and not the other.

Care to attempt to make a point or would you rather call some more names instead?

ConservativeX · Apr 21, 2004, 09:02 pm

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Originally posted by Giancarlo,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Giancarlo,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-ConservativeX,

Thought I would quote you before you edit it again.

No one hear has said anything about marching gays off to death camps.

In fact, the ONLY person here who has said they favor someone being shot solely based on their sexual attraction is YOU.

You said it quite a few times, in fact.

Then why are you comparing polygamists to homosexuals?

Polygamy isn't a sexual orientation.[/b][/quote]

To YOU, maybe, but to a polygamist it is.

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The only double standards are in you nutcases. What are you expecting me to do? Accept polygamy? What for?

Because they are (YOUR standard, remember) consenting people above the age of consent, and they aren't harming anyone.

Those are your standards, right?

Oh, and they aren't being intolerant of you, either.

Apr 21, 2004, 09:04 pm

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Originally posted by Mia,
Yeah, and why should I accept homosexuality? You have yet to explain why one should be allowed and not the other.

Care to attempt to make a point or would you rather call some more names instead?

Fine don't. I won't accept your heterosexuality either. Polygamy isn't a sexual orientation.

ConservativeNut:

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Those are your standards, right?

No.

If they aren't being intolerant of you too, then do you support polygamy?

ConservativeX · Apr 21, 2004, 09:07 pm

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Originally posted by Giancarlo,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Giancarlo,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Mia,
Yeah, and why should I accept homosexuality? You have yet to explain why one should be allowed and not the other.

Care to attempt to make a point or would you rather call some more names instead?

Fine don't. I won't accept your heterosexuality either. Polygamy isn't a sexual orientation. [/b][/quote]

I see you didn't answer her question.

Can you explain why homosexuality should be allowed and not polygamy?

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ConservativeNut:

*sigh*

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No.

If they aren't being intolerant of you too, then do you support polygamy?

Nope, but then again, I don't have a problem admitting that I use my morality to make such decisions.

If you let slip that you use your morality, you reveal that you are no different than anyone else who does.

You just draw your moral line in a different place.

That's all.

It doesn't make you a monster anymore than it does me, but you have linked someone who uses morality to discriminate against someone based on their sexual attractions as a monster so long that it conflicts you.

Mia · Apr 21, 2004, 09:11 pm

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Originally posted by ConservativeX,

If you let slip that you use your morality, you reveal that you are no different than anyone else who does.

You just draw your moral line in a different place.

That's all.

It doesn't make you a monster anymore than it does me, but you have linked someone who uses morality to discriminate against someone based on their sexual attractions as a monster so long that it conflicts you.

This is the central point. Care to address it, Giancarlo?

Mia · Apr 21, 2004, 09:16 pm

BTW, I happen to support homosexual rights to marry and have children and everything else that straights have, and I do not polygamists.

However, since the point was brought up, I have to question this bias on my part, and I find I have nothing to base it on other than being familiar with and accepting of one and not the other. This is not enough when determining laws that affect people.

I find it quite outstanding in your case, Giancarlo. One would expect you to be open to the differences of others. And for you to have at least the desire to examine this bias you have and determine whether it is correct.

But you show no such desire and that is strange to me.

ConservativeX · Apr 21, 2004, 09:20 pm

It all boils down to consistency and how well you know yourself.

Apr 21, 2004, 09:20 pm

I already said my morality influences me.

Mia:

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I find it quite outstanding in your case, Giancarlo. One would expect you to be open to the differences of others. And for you to have at least the desire to examine this bias you have and determine whether it is correct.

Why? You support gay marriage right, and do not support polygamy? Right? Why can't I believe the same thing?

I'm not responding to ConservativeX anymore.

ConservativeX · Apr 21, 2004, 09:21 pm

You weren't to start with.

Apr 21, 2004, 09:22 pm

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Originally posted by ConservativeX,
You weren't to start with.

Yeah I'm pretty much ignoring you since you are just another troll.

ConservativeX · Apr 21, 2004, 09:23 pm

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Originally posted by Giancarlo,
I already said my morality influences me.

So why is it right for you to discriminate against someone based solely on their sexual attraction/preference/lifestyle/whatever but no one else seems to have that right?

Apr 21, 2004, 09:24 pm

So why is it right for you to discriminate against someone based solely on their sexual attraction/preference/lifestyle/whatever but no one else seems to have that right?

Throwing that back at you because you seem to do the same thing.

Mia · Apr 21, 2004, 09:27 pm

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Originally posted by Giancarlo,
So why is it right for you to discriminate against someone based solely on their sexual attraction/preference/lifestyle/whatever but no one else seems to have that right?

The point is you are against him doing so yet you do yourself. Hello?

ConservativeX · Apr 21, 2004, 09:27 pm

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Originally posted by Giancarlo,
So why is it right for you to discriminate against someone based solely on their sexual attraction/preference/lifestyle/whatever but no one else seems to have that right?

Throwing that back at you because you seem to do the same thing.

I don't know why: I don't have a problem with you using your morality when supporting legislation.

Apr 21, 2004, 08:56 pm	#61 (permalink) (top)
ConservativeX Igneous Magma Posts: 259	Were you comparing heterosexuals to polygamists? I thought that was wrong in your book. Oh wait, I forgot; it's okay for you to do something, but no one else... :rolleyes: The foundation of the Constitution is laid on the 10th Amendment. To take a single step beyond is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition - JEFFERSON

Apr 21, 2004, 08:58 pm	#63 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	Have you ever even seen such blatent double-standards? Most people try to cover it up when they have them .... "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Apr 21, 2004, 09:02 pm	#67 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	Yeah, and why should I accept homosexuality? You have yet to explain why one should be allowed and not the other. Care to attempt to make a point or would you rather call some more names instead? "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Apr 21, 2004, 09:16 pm	#72 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	BTW, I happen to support homosexual rights to marry and have children and everything else that straights have, and I do not polygamists. However, since the point was brought up, I have to question this bias on my part, and I find I have nothing to base it on other than being familiar with and accepting of one and not the other. This is not enough when determining laws that affect people. I find it quite outstanding in your case, Giancarlo. One would expect you to be open to the differences of others. And for you to have at least the desire to examine this bias you have and determine whether it is correct. But you show no such desire and that is strange to me. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Apr 21, 2004, 09:20 pm	#73 (permalink) (top)
ConservativeX Igneous Magma Posts: 259	It all boils down to consistency and how well you know yourself. The foundation of the Constitution is laid on the 10th Amendment. To take a single step beyond is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition - JEFFERSON

Apr 21, 2004, 09:21 pm	#75 (permalink) (top)
ConservativeX Igneous Magma Posts: 259	You weren't to start with. The foundation of the Constitution is laid on the 10th Amendment. To take a single step beyond is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition - JEFFERSON

Apr 21, 2004, 09:24 pm	#78 (permalink) (top)
Giancarlo Guest Posts: n/a	So why is it right for you to discriminate against someone based solely on their sexual attraction/preference/lifestyle/whatever but no one else seems to have that right? Throwing that back at you because you seem to do the same thing.