sexual orientation/preference/perversion

[ConservativeX]

Quote by: Giancarlo, Because again, it is an excellent demonstration of you applying YOUR MORALITY to the restriction of sexual lifestyles. And in the case of polygamy, you have BOTH consent AND age of consent. So upon what grounds SPECIFICALLY do you deny polygamists from loving each other?

But you have more then two people thus invalidating it. [/quote]

But they aren't hurting anyone.

And they're above your age of consent moral qualms...

So why are you purposely supporting the legal discrimination of others based solely on their sexual attractions?

Using your MORALS, no less!

The proposed amendment is illegal and unconstitutional. Ban ConservativeX!

BY DEFINITION, an amendment CANNOT be illegal OR unconstitutional.

Article V of the Constitution clearly states that an amendment becomes a part of the body of the Constitution, just like the rest, resulting in the amendment becoming the law of the land.

[ConservativeX]

BTW, I would like you to try to explain how an amendment can be illegal OR unconstitutional, please.

[argonak]

But you have more then two people thus invalidating it.

The big point here is that you're defining marriage as between two people, irreguardless of their sexual orientation.

Thus you say that polygamy which is an orientation requiring multiple partners is not a marriage.

The exact same argument is used against Homosexual relationship:

Its not between a Man and a Woman so it is not a marriage.

You are drawing a line against someone based on your morality. You're discriminating against THEIR orientation. And yet at the same time you demand an end to descrimnation against another type of discrimanation, that against homosexual marriage. Don't you see the conflict inherent here?

Edit: Clarity.

So maybe some of you should admit it, you want me executed because I'm gay. We have a bunch of little Hitlers running around here.

Using your MORALS, no less!

THAT IS NOT MY DAMN MORALS. I DO NOT APPROVE OF POLYGAMY.

An amendment... I would rather get shot then have that past.

[ConservativeX]

You've got it exactly, Argonak.

He's selectively applying his morality to support the legal discrimination against people based SOLELY on their sexual lifestyle.

But no one else can do it if it affects HIM.

And you people are doing any different? STOP COMPARING ME TO POLYGAMISTS, YOU SALUTING FASCIST!

[ConservativeX]

Originally posted by Giancarlo, So maybe some of you should admit it, you want me executed because I'm gay. We have a bunch of little Hitlers running around here. THAT IS NOT MY DAMN MORALS. I DO NOT APPROVE OF POLYGAMY.

Because your morals state that marriage with more than one person is WRONG (a moral qualifier).

Besides, earlier you said that you were only intolerant against people who were intolerant.

How are polygamists being intolerant?

Also, you gave two moral qualifiers of consent and age of consent; polygamists aren't violating either of those.

An amendment... I would rather get shot then have that past.

What's with you and shooting people?

[argonak]

So maybe some of you should admit it, you want me executed because I'm gay. We have a bunch of little Hitlers running around here.

as far as I know, no one has attacked you in this thread. please refrain from attacking everyone else. I have no desire to see you or anyone else harmed, and have not fully made up my mind on the issue of Homosexual marriage.

THAT IS NOT MY DAMN MORALS. I DO NOT APPROVE OF POLYGAMY

What would you think if someone said:

THAT IS NOT MY DAMN MORALS. I DO NOT APPROVE OF HOMOSEXUALITY

Would you think that person is being biggoted? Is making judgements based on his morals? Would you consider his opinion valid? I only changed one word.

[ConservativeX]

And you didn't change the basis on which he used it, either.

Good example, showing him that his statements don't hold up when applied anywhere else.

Originally posted by ConservativeX, Because your morals state that marriage with more than one person is WRONG (a moral qualifier).

You again are running in circles like a little kid. I hope you hit a brick wall.

Besides, earlier you said that you were only intolerant against people who were intolerant. How are polygamists being intolerant?

I'm not intolerant of polygamists, I just don't approve of them

What's with you and shooting people?

Give me liberty or give me death.

Argonak:

Would you consider his opinion valid? I only changed one word.

So homosexuality is just like polygamy?

Originally posted by ConservativeX, And you didn't change the basis on which he used it, either. Good example, showing him that his statements don't hold up when applied anywhere else.

You are wrong. Dead wrong. You are misusing my statements. You should go hit yourself in the head repeatably.

[argonak]

You should go hit yourself in the head repeatably.

Again, please refrain from the personal attacks, they serve no purpose.

So homosexuality is just like polygamy?

YOUR exlcusion of Polygmay from marriage is the SAME as someone else's exclusion of homosexuality from marriage. You're basing it solely on your personal morality.

If you cannot understand my point at this point, there really isn't much point in continuing the discussion, I've made the point as clear as its going to get.

Originally posted by argonak, YOUR exlcusion of Polygmay from marriage is the SAME as someone else's exclusion of homosexuality from marriage.

No it is not.

If you cannot understand my point at this point, there really isn't much point in continuing the discussion, I've made the point as clear as its going to get.

You should go seek help. I'm sorry but your hatred of me has gone too far and I had quite enough of it. You have repeatably failed to make clear points and that goes to you ConservativeX aswell.

[argonak]

You should go seek help. I'm sorry but your hatred of me has gone too far and I had quite enough of it. You have repeatably failed to make clear points and that goes to you ConservativeX aswell.

I have no hatred of you. I have not insulted you.

You are dead wrong.

We have a bunch of little Hitlers running around here.

YOU SALUTING FASCIST!

I hope you hit a brick wall.

You should go hit yourself in the head repeatably.

You should go seek help.

You on the other hand appear to be rather angry. I'd suggest you take a breather and then re-read the points and try and see the other side of this discussion.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Giancarlo, And you people are doing any different? STOP COMPARING ME TO POLYGAMISTS, YOU SALUTING FASCIST!

focus. Just because you're gay, does not mean you have to get up in arms, when someone with a very different view of being gay comes to debate. Expect to be compared to poligamy. Blacks were compared to animals. It's all about perspective. Things change, tolerance grows, but only when clear arguments for change, and moral distinctions are drawn.
In other words, don't resort to name-calling, and ALL CAPS fear.


argonak, I applaud your civilized response. We're not going to agree on everything, especially with such a heated issue as sexual orientation.

[ConservativeX]

Sean, that's just it, though; no one here is comparing homosexuality to ANYTHING.

We are comparing different morals and I am demonstrating that Gian allows HIS morals to legally discriminate against people based solely on THEIR sexual attractions/lifestyle/whateverhewantstocallit.

But he attacks anyone else who does the exact same thing if it affects him.

[Mia]

Giancarlo, no one here is being hateful against you or gays in general. Separate your self from this for a minute and look at it all objectively. We have all three tried to show you that both homosexuality and polygamy are similar only in a few aspects.

1) They are both alternative orientations not approved of by the majority.

2) They both are involving consenting adults and do not harm others in their practice

3) It is each person's personal morality standards that dictate opinions on them.

We have all shown that the same arguments for and against each being allowed are exactly the same.

We are asking you to explain why one should be allowed over the other. All you have provided is your personal moral code that says one is OK but not the other with no basis whatsoever.

If we had a polygamist on here, I'm sure he would say the same things you do to defend your orientation. Were he to them attack yours we'd be pointing out that he is being hypocritical as well.

Throwing personal attacks when you don't have a good argument to make is not getting you anywhere.

If you have no good argument, then simply admit it and leave it at that and quit attacking other's points simply because you can't counter them.

Originally posted by ConservativeX, Sean, that's just it, though; no one here is comparing homosexuality to ANYTHING. We are comparing different morals and I am demonstrating that Gian allows HIS morals to legally discriminate against people based solely on THEIR sexual attractions/lifestyle/whateverhewantstocallit. But he attacks anyone else who does the exact same thing if it affects him.

You don't know my morals, nor do you know how I think. So get off your high horse.

Again polygamy is not an orientation. You people have no good arguments... you have consistently failed. You ConservativeX, are a disgrace to the right wing.

[Mia]

I suggest we quit trying to make Giancarlo see something he is unwilling to. He is biased and refuses to look at the topic objectively.

Originally posted by Mia, I suggest we quit trying to make Giancarlo see something he is unwilling to.  He is biased and refuses to look at the topic objectively.

YOU PEOPLE CANNOT LOOK AT THINGS OBJECTIVELY. You actually think you are the ultimate sources of objectively? You are biased as hell, and some of you would like to see gays marched off to death camps. Schutzstaffel anybody?\

Oh by the way, heterosexuality is more similiar to polygamy, then homosexuality.