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    I think it's a matter of rights and responsibilities -- the kids don't have the rights, so they shouldn't bear the responsibilities, period.


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    Quote Quote by: samsara15
    And what do we do with the 18 year old boy who gets a 17 year old girl pregnant? Surely he's no pedophile. Deplorable, but no more than that. That's not double-standards, but common sense. The law has to have some sense of proportion and justification to it. Justice can't be blind.
    Most states allow sexual relations between adults and minors if they are within 2 or so years of each other in age.
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    Age Matters

    I think that a youth who commits a crime should not be tried as an adult. I think so for various reasons. The one I feel most strongly about is because their are many things that would influence a youth that would'nt effect an adult. These things include peer presure and television. The classic line is blame it on t.v., the reality is that there is much truth behind this.


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    I think that a youth who commits a crime should not be tried as an adult. I think so for various reasons. The one I feel most strongly about is because their are many things that would influence a youth that would'nt effect an adult. These things include peer presure and television. The classic line is blame it on t.v., the reality is that there is much truth behind this.
    Oh, yes, blame it on television; blame it on society; blame it on everything except the criminal child who CHOOSES to commit crimes. Give me a break!

    While I don't think children should be housed in prisons with adults, and while I don't think they should be punished in the same manner as adults are punished, I do think they should be held just as accountable for their choices as adults.


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    Quote Quote by: Chancellor
    Oh, yes, blame it on television; blame it on society; blame it on everything except the criminal child who CHOOSES to commit crimes. Give me a break!

    While I don't think children should be housed in prisons with adults, and while I don't think they should be punished in the same manner as adults are punished, I do think they should be held just as accountable for their choices as adults.
    If they are responsible for their actions as adults, they also deserve the same rights as adults. Every single one of them.

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    Children are the property of their parents.

    The parents are 100% responsible for the actions of the children until they're 18 unless they go to the court and request to legally divorce themselves as parents of the children.


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    Quote Quote by: tman_ndsu08
    Children are the property of their parents.

    The parents are 100% responsible for the actions of the children until they're 18 unless they go to the court and request to legally divorce themselves as parents of the children.
    Maybe under US law, though I doubt it, but in the UK it is illegal for anyone to possess as property another human being. Parents are simply their legal guardians, with a responsibillity to care for the child until 16 or the child is taken on by someone else as a guardian, or the child runs away.

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    If they are responsible for their actions as adults, they also deserve the same rights as adults. Every single one of them.
    Why do they deserve the rights of adults simply because they, like adults, are responsible for their actions?


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    Quote Quote by: G. Adams
    If they are responsible for their actions as adults, they also deserve the same rights as adults. Every single one of them.
    Which is, of course, ridiculous. What does having the right to vote have to do with not shooting someone? Exactly how is being able to legally drink going to stop someone from poisoning their parents?

    Come on...

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    Quote Quote by: Chancellor
    Why do they deserve the rights of adults simply because they, like adults, are responsible for their actions?
    The state must maintain consistency. If the state says that children are not reponsible beings, and therefore cannot drink, buy firearms etc then it must also accept that they are not reponsible beings before the law.

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    Quote Quote by: Cephus
    Which is, of course, ridiculous. What does having the right to vote have to do with not shooting someone? Exactly how is being able to legally drink going to stop someone from poisoning their parents?

    Come on...
    Of course it is ridiculous, that is my point...

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    Quote Quote by: G. Adams
    The state must maintain consistency. If the state says that children are not reponsible beings, and therefore cannot drink, buy firearms etc then it must also accept that they are not reponsible beings before the law.
    Just because they are not legally able to take some actions does not mean they should not be responsible for the actions that they do take. There are some crimes which, no matter what the age of the criminal, need to be prosecuted seriously.

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