I haven't tested them, it is just theory...

I haven't tested them, it is just theory...
!! Going to my destruction !!

No. Not yet. None are but speculation. You are pursuing the truth aren't you? It's fine with me if you are not. But knowing what your goal is, is vital to advise on how best to proceed.
Narrow your vision to but one theorem and design an experiment to prove your speculation wrong. Run the test yourself or get somebody else to. If you don't do this, then your time spent on driving other speculations is likely to be effort devoted to but nonsense. The magic you are after, perhaps, should be one that will dispel nonsense.
If the terrain and the map do not agree, follow the terrain.
When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of ignorance or accident, its children will become a new race.


If the terrain and the map do not agree, follow the terrain.
When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of ignorance or accident, its children will become a new race.

Well, as a bit of magic, try looking into a lit candle for about a minute. Focus your eyes on the part of the flame where the blue and yellow meet - there should be a little hole there. Then watch for the magic to unfold infront of your eyes, as you should see little green spots on the walls of your house in no time. blink repeatedly until you see them.
!! Going to my destruction !!


If the terrain and the map do not agree, follow the terrain.
When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of ignorance or accident, its children will become a new race.


Control them to do what? Get other people to give you money, fame, and power? That's black magic. So you get the spirits to give other people money, fame, and power? That's white magic. Both engage Karmic engines onto the purveyor of the spirits. What is gained if karmic return is the price for either?
Last edited by minorwork; 8th July 2012 at 02:53 AM.
If the terrain and the map do not agree, follow the terrain.
When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of ignorance or accident, its children will become a new race.

i don't believe in karma - i am one detestable human being and nothing bad happens to me!
If you were to b e creating spirits, you should be able to move things around with them, talk to them, get them to spy on people, and protect you against demons... if you ask me what you could do with them that is what i would say.
!! Going to my destruction !!

That is doing your bidding which is a karmic act that operates under the principal that you can control in fineness and power to achieve exactly your goals. And if you're a poor magician? It comes back on you in an equally uncontrollable manner. The hell of karma is that from birth karma is engaged to your location and is an automatic genetically derived source of your actions and understanding determined by the growed brain and possessing the forms of dealing with environmental karmas from millions of years ago, billions of years even. How do you avoid karma?
Karma is the cause and effect of Newtonian physics that carries over into the brains higher regions of emotional empathy, memories, and mental processes.
The very description of moving things is describing a cause/effect relationship. The action you would have done to achieve a goal is the very description of a karmic act. You engage and then receive what you want. Which also engages other actions. There is a third type of magic though.
If the terrain and the map do not agree, follow the terrain.
When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of ignorance or accident, its children will become a new race.
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