Is the human fetus a parasite according to science?

[galerouth]

is this correct?

THIS IS SCIENCE:

FETUS IS NOT A BABY (GOOGLE THE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT CHART), but a parasite because the classification of the biological relationship that is based on the behavior one organism (fetus) and how it relates to the woman's body.

as a zygote, it invaded the woman's uterus using its TROPHOBLAST cells, hijacked her immune system by using NEUROKININ B and HCG--- so her body doesn't kill it, steals her nutrients to survive, and causes her harm or potential death.
wikipedia org/wiki/Trophoblast


"The placenta functions as an immunological barrier between the mother and the fetus, creating an immunologically privileged site. For this purpose, it uses several mechanisms:
It secretes Neurokinin B containing phosphocholine molecules. This is the same mechanism used by parasitic nematodes to avoid detection by the immune system of their host.[2]"
wikipedia org/wiki/Immune_tolerance_in_pregnancy


"Progesterone enriches the uterus with a thick lining of blood vessels and capillaries so that it can sustain the growing fetus. Due to its highly-negative charge, hCG may repel the immune cells of the mother, protecting the fetus during the first trimester. It has also been hypothesized that hCG may be a placental link for the development of local maternal immunotolerance."
wikipedia org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin

"It is also possible for a symbiotic relationship to exist between two organisms of the same species."
answers com/topic/symbiosis -- Gale's Science of Everyday Things.

just like a parasitic twin --- wikipedia org/wiki/Parasitic_twin

"an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it"
thefreedictionary com/parasite


pregnancy CAUSES HARM: thelizlibrary org/liz/004

since a man can kill his tapeworm at anytime, so should a woman abort unwanted, human-parasitic fetus.

[LetThereBe]

is this correct?

THIS IS SCIENCE:

FETUS IS NOT A BABY (GOOGLE THE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT CHART), but a parasite because the classification of the biological relationship that is based on the behavior one organism (fetus) and how it relates to the woman's body.

The two concepts are not mutually exclusive. Arguably nearly all children are parasites.

[lsbskins1]

The two concepts are not mutually exclusive. Arguably nearly all children are parasites.

This, too:

[Muckraker]

"an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it"

The two concepts are not mutually exclusive. Arguably nearly all children are parasites.

Relationships are not measured on scales and determined to be parasitic when the negatives in a particular case outweigh the positives. To deem the human fetus and/or child parasitic you would have to prove that there are never any benefits to the mother--zero benefits--ever. A bold claim if you ask me. Are you truly prepared to prove that there is no physiological or psychological benefit to a pregnant mother or a parent at any point during pregnancy, child-rearing, or later in life when adults start needing support themselves? Is there not a single hormonal secretion that may boost immunity or cause a sense of well-being for a pregnant mother? Is there not a single moment of happiness initiated by the presence of a child? There is never any benefit when an adult helps out an elderly parent? It seems to me you may be boxing yourselves in with claims like that.

[grandpa]

Relationships are not measured on scales and determined to be
parasitic when the negatives in a particular case outweigh the
positives.
To deem the human fetus and/or child parasitic you
would have to prove that there are never any
benefits to the mother--zero benefits--ever.

Sometimes it could be a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Many parents have children to improve their lives, only to end up disappointed and disliking or hating the child. If the child is miserable because of this, it's debatable who was being more parasitic.

That being said, "parasites" are just doing what they must to survive. They rely on a host's resources. The human race has many monopolies on parasitic behavior, and strives to. They just take a different form. So it's not just something with fetuses.

Grandpa h.

[LetThereBe]

My only point is that saying "A fetus is a parasite, therefore a fetus is not a baby" is fallacious reasoning. It can be both.

You might as well say a bear is an omnivore, therefore it is not a mammal. Or Obama is a president, therefore he is not a father.

[ruksak]

lol....It never ceases to amaze me the lengths that abortion enthusiasts go to to rationalize killing babies. Comparing them to a leech that attaches itself to your body unbeknownst to you? Really people?

A fetus is your species, a leech is not.

[grandpa]

It never ceases to amaze me the lengths that abortion
enthusiasts go to to rationalize killing babies.

Maybe some day we'll end up like a moderate China, where abortions are the law at about the 3rd or 4th child. Who knows? Until that vaguely possible, entirely hypothetical day, I don't think most people are too "enthusiastic" about them. But I do agree that human fetuses are being aborted.

Grandpa h.

[Ender]

This is not a serious argument nor is it scientific. A human fetus is a product of human reproduction, a process that has nothing to do with parasitic organisms. The only context in which the two would be compared is in the abortion debate, by those who do not feel their position is strong enough without comparing a fetus to a tapeworm. I have seen enough legitimate arguments from those who believe in abortion rights to say this pseudoscientific argument is unnecessary.

[grandpa]

This is not a serious argument nor is it scientific.
A human fetus is a product of human reproduction, a
process that has nothing to do with parasitic organisms.

As I noted, one could group anyone or anything into the "parasite" category, if one is so inclined. I'm ususally not so inclined, though it varies with my mood.

Grandpa h.

[calvinthomas]

I guess they aren't

[galerouth]

That being said, "parasites" are just doing what they must to survive. They rely on a host's resources. The human race has many monopolies on parasitic behavior, and strives to. They just take a different form. So it's not just something with fetuses.

Grandpa h.

i understand that the little parasitic fetus is only doing what its biology told him to do... but i believe, that society need to stop romanticizing pregnancy, i feel that women are being pressed or mind-fraked to their keep unwanted pregnancies at the expense of their well-being or futures.


i believe that we talk about pregnancy through scientific means, not emotional --- these said women and society wouldn't be suffering as their are now.