White Pride

[Darklordabc]

Two Quetions
1. Is it a good thing to have pride about your own ethnicity?
2. Are all ethnitcies entitiled equally to have ethic pride? Or are some prohibited (If so, why are some races not allowed to have it)?

My own thoughts is that if you allow any race to have pride, all other races must be allowed to have pride aswell. To single out white people and shame them for proclaiming pride, would be racism (treating someone unfairly just because of their race). Unless there is some justified reason for whites not to have ethnic pride?

UPDATE: To clarify, when I say white-pride, I am not refering to the racist notion that many white supremists take up. I mean happy in being white, the same as maoris being proud of being maori, and hispanics being proud of being hispanics.

[Jack]

I have never understood the desire to "take pride" in something over which you had no control. Can I be "proud" to be blue-eyed, left-handed or male? All of these, like the color of my skin, are incidental to the genetics that determined how I would appear after birth. Even my parents couldn't control which of their genes would be dominant and which would be recessive in me.

I prefer to take pride in those aspects of my person over which I do have (some) control, like my character, my work ethic and my talents.

[SoylentGreen]

Two Quetions
1. Is it a good thing to have pride about your own ethnicity?
2. Are all ethnitcies entitiled equally to have ethic pride? Or are some prohibited (If so, why are some races not allowed to have it)?

My own thoughts is that if you allow any race to have pride, all other races must be allowed to have pride aswell. To single out white people and shame them for proclaiming pride, would be racism (treating someone unfairly just because of their race). Unless there is some justified reason for whites not to have ethnic pride?

Then give me an example of white pride, because when I look up the words "white pride" on google what I get is a bunch of racist groups. For example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_pride

White pride is a slogan indicating pride in being white. The slogan has been adopted by neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/
http://newzeelend.wordpress.com/2009...-christchurch/

White pride appears not to mean a pride in one's own but a reason to denegrate others in order to make themselves look better.


Where as if I look up something like Maori pride, i get things like :
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...eorgenuku.html

George Tamihana Nuku is a striking and enthusiastic spokesman of re-emerging pride among many indigenous cultures around the world. His elaborate facial tattoo, or moko

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/te-reo-mao...ectid=10418561

The difference between the two; Whites need to think they are better than others , Maori ask how can we better our selves.
So who has the real pride in this?

[GeekyBatman]

Then give me an example of white pride, because when I look up the words "white pride" on google what I get is a bunch of racist groups.

I don't think the OP meant white pride like that. I think they just meant being proud of their white ethnicity. Not in terms of being white is better than being any other race, just in terms of I like being white. I could be wrong, but I think it was just a poor choice of phrasing.

[Jack]

What exactly is the "white race". Is there such a thing? I don't believe so. There are ethnic groups that are predominantly Caucasian such as the Irish, Germans and many European groups, but they have geographic and social identities. There isn't a "white culture" or "white race". It's an inaccurate generalization that describes every Caucasian ethnic group.

[SoylentGreen]

I don't think the OP meant white pride like that. I think they just meant being proud of their white ethnicity. Not in terms of being white is better than being any other race, just in terms of I like being white. I could be wrong, but I think it was just a poor choice of phrasing.

I would hope he did not mean it like that. But that still gives him the problem of trying to define what is white culture?
For example I can point to pacific islander tattooing as an example of specific cultural attributes that they can identify with. Can you pin point a white man by his tattoos?

When ever I read anything about "White Pride", it's usually something quite racist and demeaning towards other cultures.

[Darklordabc]

Just because some racists adopt the same view, that doesnt necessarily mean the view itself is wrong. To generalize all white-pride people as racists and kkk sympathizers is not justified. Its like saying black-pride is wrong because some black organizations get carried away with it.

What exactly is the "white race". Is there such a thing? I don't believe so. There are ethnic groups that are predominantly Caucasian such as the Irish, Germans and many European groups, but they have geographic and social identities. There isn't a "white culture" or "white race". It's an inaccurate generalization that describes every Caucasian ethnic group.

The white race may have some sub-sections to it, the same way asians, have japanese and chinese asians, but even with these divisions, everbody knows a white person when they see them, its a much a race as asians are.

[crimethinker]

People who get all "white pride" in response to black pride miss the point. Blacks in the US are a minority who historically have suffered injustices that continue to affect their community today. Black pride is in response to their minority status, to ensure their voices are heard. Pride movements can help to normalize a group within our culture, to help our culture understand their history, their issues, their identity, etc.

Things like "white pride" serve no purpose, because whites constitute an overwhelming majority within our society and have never been discriminated against. At best, white pride is a blunder caused by ignorance. It's easy to see how it could be worse.

Something like "Maori pride" is less clear, though, because while there are no important issues surrounding the Maori-American community, historical or otherwise (that I'm aware of), it could help to keep their community cohesive, or just be about fun (a Maori-themed party). If it is simply misplaced "pride" in one's ethnicity, then no, I'm not on board.

[grandpa]

People who get all "white pride" in response to black
pride miss the point.
Blacks in the US are a minority who historically have
suffered injustices that continue to affect their community today.

One thing I've noticed:
"White pride" causes all kinds of havoc, in the name of preventing alleged havoc from other races.

Over the years I've been wishy washy on the topic.
But I think there are good types of pride and bad types. It's good for something like a GAME (sorry for the all caps, but I want to emphasize the word), but not good for operating a society, as it easily gets out of hand. We can have pride that we have internet capability, running water, food, heat, etc., but we shouldn't let such things get to our heads and become full of ourselves. People should see these thingsare part of their society, but shouldn't neglect the negative aspects of them, either. In other words, some humility can add a lot of nuance and perspective to how we see ourselves.

Grandpa h.

[NoJingoLingo]

I have to agree with Jack, why would you take pride in something you had absolutely no control over? I was born a white male in the USA, should I be proud to have been lucky or simply lucky? Where does pride enter into that?

[SoylentGreen]

Just because some racists adopt the same view, that doesnt necessarily mean the view itself is wrong.
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So give men an example of a view that is racist, that is right.

To generalize all white-pride people as racists and kkk sympathizers is not justified. Its like saying black-pride is wrong because some black organizations get carried away with it.

Perhaps so but then what has a white to be proud of?

[grandpa]

So give men an example of a view that is
racist, that is right.

Perhaps so but then what has a white to be
proud of?

It's hard to find good acts and evil acts of equal value, but racism has tried to do just that throughout history. My own view? Bullshitters abound, regardless of their skin color.

Grandpa h.