there can only be absolute truth in life.2+2 will always equal 4.just look at the evidence for a creator objectively.i urge you to seek the truth.
there can only be absolute truth in life.2+2 will always equal 4.just look at the evidence for a creator objectively.i urge you to seek the truth.

wut
"The place of the worst barbarism is that modern forest that makes use of us, this forest of chimneys and bayonets, machines and weapons, of strange inanimate beasts that feed on human flesh"

If by urging someone to seek the truth, you mean disregard all evidence and cast away all logic, than no thanks...
On absolute truth : if by this you mean speculatory doctrines that were plagerized from previous stories, and ideas that contradict the core value of this belief.. well if you propagate that is truth i am truly sorry for you [ I mean that sincerely]
On creator objectiveity : by this i think you mean something much different, considering ones belief systems are relevant to not only when you were born, but where.
I urge theist to stop WANTING to be right, and try merely seeking the truth.

Where is the debate, please?

Peano arithmetic is axiomatic, you have to assume the statements are true, and Godel's Second Incompleteness Theorem
Provability Logic (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)If this is read arithmetically, the direction from left to right is just the formalized version of Gödel's second incompleteness theorem: if a sufficiently strong formal theory T like Peano Arithmetic does not prove a contradiction, then it is not provable in T that T does not prove a contradiction. Thus, sufficiently strong consistent arithmetical theories cannot prove their own consistency.
and scroll up....link is to point three....para is at the end of 2.2

Preaching is not debating. Thread moved.
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