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But this conversation would just bring me into the whole environment/civilization/evil controlling destructive culture thing and that's not what the thread is about.
Plus I would never stand for a meatless life, no matter who was telling me it's "best for me".
Unless of course we get to the point that all meat is tainted to the point where illness would be acquired through whatever meat we touch (which doesn't seem to far away).
Ok, as long as you're honest about your opinion I have no problems with it.
No, might does not make right, otherwise I would not be a dissenting vegetarian (or would I?). Animals clearly have no might, humans do, but that doesn't make us right, does it?What number is a sufficient number, in your opinion?
And do you think that might makes right?
- Rob
All I'm saying, is that I'd prefer persuasion and a majority of the people to vote for a representative organ that can take measures approved of by the majority. Besides, force would lead to opposition and struggle, so there has to be a large foundation, a solid base, of people who support the idea.
It is, finally, a very difficult issue (thanks for asking such an interesting question!), that I have trouble responding to. In my opinion, it is an ethical issue: it's about lives and the well-being of sentient beings, for heaven's sake (consider how irrelevant most people would consider my sweet tooth for human intestines--or my preference to have sex with little children and then slicing them up).
The use of force should, however, always be carefully considered and thought about: if you believe you're right, does it follow that what you think bears the authority to decide for other people that they should think the same? As I'm not certain, I won't side with the force position (yet).
Self-deception does not alter truth.
Simple, I would go for persuation only as many others said.
But, if Government makes it medatory to be vegetarian for sensible reasons, say public health or prevailing good sense that animals should not face untimely death, amounting to murder; then job of vegetarians is easily and automatically done. They need not take the trouble of even persuation. Further, I would not call such a move from Government as force since, it must have its own logic to impliment such law.
I am a carnivore. I think vegetables should be banned. Every time I watch Veggietales I get all teary-eyed thinking of the suffering that broccoli goes through.
Sorry, off topic...but sort of on topic?
the suffering continues
The Pirates Who Don't Do Anything: A VeggieTales Movie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Is broccoli suffering through nerves and brain or at the heart ??? Or, through some unique system known only to you. As far as my knowledge goes, science has not been able to locate neither the heart, nor the brain containing nervous system in plants. Therfore, your imgination of suffering by broccoli and comparing with animal's and bird's suffering is definitely wrong.
kuldeep,
Did you know that an animal screaming before it dies makes the meat more tender? Try it. It's really delicious. And baby animals are sooooo much more tasty. Don't you think?
While debating, I wish others to be as serious as I, you included !!!
Let it be many fold tasty than you have enjoyed still, I am not going to enjoy at the cost of untimely killed (murdered) animal resembling anatomically similar to mine. I know how much painful is even a small scratch on my body. All animals who are cut live must be feeling anormous pain.
It is different story, on another thread, I advocated for Cannibalism but of those humans who die a natural death to save wastage of neutrients. So if society leaves killing of animals and eat only naturally dieing animals, I do not have any objection. See, vultures ponder on only on dead animals. I do not think they even would trouble live animals. That way we are not as sympathetic as vultures !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please do not mind my logical conclusion !
kuldeep,
Animals also kill other animals for food. Lions will even start eating their disabled prey while still alive! Animals are purely selfish beings that disregard suffering for their own survival. I'm glad you saw I was only teasing about animal suffering. First, you have to realize animals do NOT feel pain the way you and I do. This was demonstrated to me by a veterenarian once when I had my dog spayed. I asked the vet if she needed painkillers after the surgery and he said animals are much less sensitive to pain than people. He took a piece of my dog's skin under an armpit ( legpit?) and pinched it till his fingers turned white. The dog just scooted over as if it was just uncomfortable. Pinching me in that spot would have made me scream. That's a tender place. The dog barely moved and did not cry out. Animals are tougher than people. We live in climate controlled environments. They live out in harsh environments. Secondly, it is not morally wrong to kill for food. That is survival and humans have as much right to do that as animals do.
Thats a good question. I would like if killing animals would be illegal, but I don't see that happening for a long time.
Persuading people is enough for me for the time being.
"Always stand for what is right, even if you're standing alone."
Good debate, but we can live without meat. So there's no point in eating meat.
"Always stand for what is right, even if you're standing alone."
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