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Tycoon · Jul 26, 2008, 07:40 pm

Ban prejudged_Fire, just because you dont play music doesn't mean you can't enjoy it.

Besides, I'm thinking of getting a drum set and taking lessons.

prejudged_Fire · Jul 26, 2008, 07:43 pm

Ban Tycoon because, again, Rock Band is directed towards people who want to play instruments but can't: by definition, wannabes.

I didn't mean it to be insulting, I was just making a statement.

Tycoon · Jul 26, 2008, 07:48 pm

Ban prejudged_Fire because that's not necessarily true at all. I'm sure plenty of people play Rock Band because they don't have the time to take up an instrument but they would if they could.

prejudged_Fire · Jul 26, 2008, 07:50 pm

Ban Tycoon because it doesn't matter their reasons for not being able to play. Its the fact that they can't and want to.

Wannabe:

Quote:

someone who wishes to be or do something, but lacks the qualifications or talent

wannabe - Wiktionary

So again, its a fact that it is directed towards wannabes :)

Tycoon · Jul 26, 2008, 07:54 pm

Ban prejudged_Fire because wannabe is meant to be derogative. When it says qualifications I doubt it means time, it probably means ability.

prejudged_Fire · Jul 26, 2008, 07:58 pm

Ban Tycoon because I already stated that I didn't mean for it to be derogative. You must learn to play an instrument in order to gain the ability. If you don't have the time to learn, you don't have the ability to play. You have the potential, but you still don't have the ability to, yet.

Tycoon · Jul 26, 2008, 11:55 pm

Ban prejudged_Fire because .... well, whatever. I won't drag this out anymore.

jazz fork Gun · Jul 27, 2008, 01:27 am

Ban Tyc because Rock Band really *is* for wannabes...

Tycoon · Jul 27, 2008, 01:56 am

Ban jazz fork Gun because, as I've explained, no, it's not.

Just because you don't really play the drums or the guitar doesn't mean you can't enjoy it on Rock Band.

prejudged_Fire · Jul 27, 2008, 02:05 am

Ban Tycoon because that wasn't my point. I never said it wasn't entertaining. I never said people who can't play can't enjoy the game. I only said it was for wannabes (not in an insulting way) and, by definition, it is. Whether you enjoy the game or not, whether you actually play an instrument or not, its a fact that the game is directed towards those who don't actually play an instrument, for whatever reason. I don't know how you got anything else out of that other than what it was.

Tycoon · Jul 27, 2008, 02:06 am

Ban prejudged_Fire because it isn't by definition for wannabes if the person playing Rock Band doesn't want to play the real thing.

prejudged_Fire · Jul 27, 2008, 02:14 am

Ban Tycoon because there are a lot of people who actually do play guitar or drums or what have you in real life and still play the game, and yes, there are people that play it who don't want to learn an instrument in real life, but the game was still made and intended for, directed and geared towards, wannabes... by definition.

Tycoon · Jul 27, 2008, 02:19 am

Ban prejudged_Fire because...

You cannot support that statement.
There are too many exceptions.
It doesn't matter what it was geared towards it matters what the end result is.

prejudged_Fire · Jul 27, 2008, 02:50 am

Ban Tycoon because:

1. You're right, but that doesn't mean it isn't true

lol
2. There are no exceptions. It either is or it isn't.
3. The end result is irrelevant in this debate. My whole point was what Rock Band was geared towards, not the audience it actually received (even though MOST players are exactly what the game was made for).

Tycoon · Jul 27, 2008, 02:54 am

Ban prejudged_Fire because...

It isn't.
There are exceptions, you mentioned a couple yourself. People who can play real instruments but don't want to, people who do play real instruments and play Rock Band...
Debate is only a method to find the truth, and the end result is the truth. Your whole point is the irrelevant part.

prejudged_Fire · Jul 27, 2008, 03:00 am

Ban Tycoon because:
1. You cannot support that statement.
2. Those are exceptions to what the audience is, not what the game was intended for..... have you been paying attention to anything I've been saying??
3. The debate is to find the truth about what Rock Band is geared towards. Thus its actual audience is irrelevant.

Tycoon · Jul 27, 2008, 03:05 am

Ban prejudged_Fire because...

No, I'm denying your statement because you have to prove it, I don't have to disprove it.
What the game is geared towards is irrelevant, what the end result is is the part that matters. Haven't you been listening to what I've been saying?
See number two.

prejudged_Fire · Jul 27, 2008, 03:11 am

Ban Tycoon because:
1. It can't be proven or disproven, but that's no reason not to debate it. See religious debates.
2. Since I started the debate, I decide the topic. The topic was clearly what the game was geared towards (do I really have to go back and quote myself?), so how can you possibly believe that its not relevant??

Tycoon · Jul 27, 2008, 03:16 am

Ban prejudged_Fire because...

Yes, and invisible squirrels are dancing on my bed as I am typing this.
Just because it's your topic doesn't mean it's relevant. It's like saying the prediction of how good a movie will be is more important than how good it actually ended up being.

prejudged_Fire · Jul 27, 2008, 03:27 am

Ban Tycoon because:
1. I'm glad you understand.
2. No, its more like going to the "Creationism vs. Evolution" debate to start talking about "Ford vs. Chevy". Seriously, go back and read the posts. Are you really going to debate with me over what the debate was about??

Jul 26, 2008, 07:40 pm	#3641 (permalink) (top)
Tycoon Queer Location: California Posts: 2,543	Ban prejudged_Fire, just because you dont play music doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. Besides, I'm thinking of getting a drum set and taking lessons. Ty/Tyc/Tyke/Tycoon

Jul 26, 2008, 07:43 pm	#3642 (permalink) (top)
prejudged_Fire Hmmmm....... Location: Maine Posts: 998	Ban Tycoon because, again, Rock Band is directed towards people who want to play instruments but can't: by definition, wannabes. I didn't mean it to be insulting, I was just making a statement. "It's not easy banging your head against some mad bugger's wall." -- Roger Waters (Pink Floyd, "Outside the Wall")

Jul 26, 2008, 07:48 pm	#3643 (permalink) (top)
Tycoon Queer Location: California Posts: 2,543	Ban prejudged_Fire because that's not necessarily true at all. I'm sure plenty of people play Rock Band because they don't have the time to take up an instrument but they would if they could. Ty/Tyc/Tyke/Tycoon

Jul 26, 2008, 07:54 pm	#3645 (permalink) (top)
Tycoon Queer Location: California Posts: 2,543	Ban prejudged_Fire because wannabe is meant to be derogative. When it says qualifications I doubt it means time, it probably means ability. Ty/Tyc/Tyke/Tycoon

Jul 26, 2008, 07:58 pm	#3646 (permalink) (top)
prejudged_Fire Hmmmm....... Location: Maine Posts: 998	Ban Tycoon because I already stated that I didn't mean for it to be derogative. You must learn to play an instrument in order to gain the ability. If you don't have the time to learn, you don't have the ability to play. You have the potential, but you still don't have the ability to, yet. "It's not easy banging your head against some mad bugger's wall." -- Roger Waters (Pink Floyd, "Outside the Wall")

Jul 26, 2008, 11:55 pm	#3647 (permalink) (top)
Tycoon Queer Location: California Posts: 2,543	Ban prejudged_Fire because .... well, whatever. I won't drag this out anymore. Ty/Tyc/Tyke/Tycoon

Jul 27, 2008, 01:27 am	#3648 (permalink) (top)
jazz fork Gun Wheeeeeeeeee!! Location: NJ, USA Posts: 435	Ban Tyc because Rock Band really is for wannabes... 'Cuz we control the chaos In the back of our mind, our problems seems so small But they grow on us, like gravity But gravity still makes us fall

Jul 27, 2008, 01:56 am	#3649 (permalink) (top)
Tycoon Queer Location: California Posts: 2,543	Ban jazz fork Gun because, as I've explained, no, it's not. Just because you don't really play the drums or the guitar doesn't mean you can't enjoy it on Rock Band. Ty/Tyc/Tyke/Tycoon

Jul 27, 2008, 02:05 am	#3650 (permalink) (top)
prejudged_Fire Hmmmm....... Location: Maine Posts: 998	Ban Tycoon because that wasn't my point. I never said it wasn't entertaining. I never said people who can't play can't enjoy the game. I only said it was for wannabes (not in an insulting way) and, by definition, it is. Whether you enjoy the game or not, whether you actually play an instrument or not, its a fact that the game is directed towards those who don't actually play an instrument, for whatever reason. I don't know how you got anything else out of that other than what it was. "It's not easy banging your head against some mad bugger's wall." -- Roger Waters (Pink Floyd, "Outside the Wall")

Jul 27, 2008, 02:06 am	#3651 (permalink) (top)
Tycoon Queer Location: California Posts: 2,543	Ban prejudged_Fire because it isn't by definition for wannabes if the person playing Rock Band doesn't want to play the real thing. Ty/Tyc/Tyke/Tycoon

Jul 27, 2008, 02:14 am	#3652 (permalink) (top)
prejudged_Fire Hmmmm....... Location: Maine Posts: 998	Ban Tycoon because there are a lot of people who actually do play guitar or drums or what have you in real life and still play the game, and yes, there are people that play it who don't want to learn an instrument in real life, but the game was still made and intended for, directed and geared towards, wannabes... by definition. "It's not easy banging your head against some mad bugger's wall." -- Roger Waters (Pink Floyd, "Outside the Wall")

Jul 27, 2008, 02:19 am	#3653 (permalink) (top)
Tycoon Queer Location: California Posts: 2,543	Ban prejudged_Fire because... You cannot support that statement. There are too many exceptions. It doesn't matter what it was geared towards it matters what the end result is. Ty/Tyc/Tyke/Tycoon

Jul 27, 2008, 02:50 am	#3654 (permalink) (top)
prejudged_Fire Hmmmm....... Location: Maine Posts: 998	Ban Tycoon because: 1. You're right, but that doesn't mean it isn't true lol 2. There are no exceptions. It either is or it isn't. 3. The end result is irrelevant in this debate. My whole point was what Rock Band was geared towards, not the audience it actually received (even though MOST players are exactly what the game was made for). "It's not easy banging your head against some mad bugger's wall." -- Roger Waters (Pink Floyd, "Outside the Wall")

Jul 27, 2008, 02:54 am	#3655 (permalink) (top)
Tycoon Queer Location: California Posts: 2,543	Ban prejudged_Fire because... It isn't. There are exceptions, you mentioned a couple yourself. People who can play real instruments but don't want to, people who do play real instruments and play Rock Band... Debate is only a method to find the truth, and the end result is the truth. Your whole point is the irrelevant part. Ty/Tyc/Tyke/Tycoon

Jul 27, 2008, 03:00 am	#3656 (permalink) (top)
prejudged_Fire Hmmmm....... Location: Maine Posts: 998	Ban Tycoon because: 1. You cannot support that statement. 2. Those are exceptions to what the audience is, not what the game was intended for..... have you been paying attention to anything I've been saying?? 3. The debate is to find the truth about what Rock Band is geared towards. Thus its actual audience is irrelevant. "It's not easy banging your head against some mad bugger's wall." -- Roger Waters (Pink Floyd, "Outside the Wall")

Jul 27, 2008, 03:05 am	#3657 (permalink) (top)
Tycoon Queer Location: California Posts: 2,543	Ban prejudged_Fire because... No, I'm denying your statement because you have to prove it, I don't have to disprove it. What the game is geared towards is irrelevant, what the end result is is the part that matters. Haven't you been listening to what I've been saying? See number two. Ty/Tyc/Tyke/Tycoon

Jul 27, 2008, 03:11 am	#3658 (permalink) (top)
prejudged_Fire Hmmmm....... Location: Maine Posts: 998	Ban Tycoon because: 1. It can't be proven or disproven, but that's no reason not to debate it. See religious debates. 2. Since I started the debate, I decide the topic. The topic was clearly what the game was geared towards (do I really have to go back and quote myself?), so how can you possibly believe that its not relevant?? "It's not easy banging your head against some mad bugger's wall." -- Roger Waters (Pink Floyd, "Outside the Wall")

Jul 27, 2008, 03:16 am	#3659 (permalink) (top)
Tycoon Queer Location: California Posts: 2,543	Ban prejudged_Fire because... Yes, and invisible squirrels are dancing on my bed as I am typing this. Just because it's your topic doesn't mean it's relevant. It's like saying the prediction of how good a movie will be is more important than how good it actually ended up being. Ty/Tyc/Tyke/Tycoon

Jul 27, 2008, 03:27 am	#3660 (permalink) (top)
prejudged_Fire Hmmmm....... Location: Maine Posts: 998	Ban Tycoon because: 1. I'm glad you understand. 2. No, its more like going to the "Creationism vs. Evolution" debate to start talking about "Ford vs. Chevy". Seriously, go back and read the posts. Are you really going to debate with me over what the debate was about?? "It's not easy banging your head against some mad bugger's wall." -- Roger Waters (Pink Floyd, "Outside the Wall")