<![CDATA[Volconvo Debate, Talk, and Discussion Forums - Society & Rights]]> http://www.volconvo.com/forums/ Debate civil and social issues en Wed, 22 May 2013 17:56:41 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.volconvo.com/forums/images/misc/rss.png <![CDATA[Volconvo Debate, Talk, and Discussion Forums - Society & Rights]]> http://www.volconvo.com/forums/ Weapons, self defense and society http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43913-weapons-self-defense-society.html Mon, 20 May 2013 12:37:02 GMT Basically every society forces individuals to give up the right to legally kill under most circumstances. Under what circumstances do you feel one has the right to kill legally? I do not wish this... Basically every society forces individuals to give up the right to legally kill under most circumstances. Under what circumstances do you feel one has the right to kill legally? I do not wish this debate to lose track and go into abortion as that is a separate issue. I am talking in terms of self defense as well as the defense of others as well as property. Weapons become secondary to this legal issue.

It is my belief that the legal right to defend one's property with lethal force is a very dangerous legal stance and I think likely it is the key difference between the US and most other western nations. It is that stance that promotes the legal ownership of serious weapons.

My position is that no person should use force to protect themselves, others or property unless there is no other option. If a man enters your home with ill intent then you leave and call the police. If he attacks you then of course you can defend yourself and I do understand that the legal stance can not be if he attacks with a knife you can not use something more dangerous, but you cannot attack him preemptively nor can you continue to attack was he is running or disabled. ]]> BlackSheep http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43913-weapons-self-defense-society.html Are US colleges a rip off? http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43907-us-colleges-rip-off.html Fri, 17 May 2013 20:34:17 GMT Brett Arends, in the Wall Street Journal, writes in Dear Class of ’13: You’ve been scammed (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dear-class-of-13-youve-been-scammed-2013-05-17), ---Quote--- The... Brett Arends, in the Wall Street Journal, writes in Dear Class of ’13: You’ve been scammed,

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The biggest conspiracy of all? The College-Industrial Complex.

Consider this: You have just paid about three times as much for your degree as did someone graduating 30 years ago. That’s in constant dollars — in other words, after accounting for inflation. There is no evidence that you have received a degree three times as good. Some would wonder if you have received a degree even one times as good.


According to the College Board, in 1983 a typical private American university managed to provide a bachelor’s-degree-level education to young people just like you for $11,000 a year in tuition and fees. That’s in 2012 dollars. Instead, those of you at private colleges paid this year an average of $29,000.


And back then a public college charged in-state students just $2,200 a year in tuition and fees — in today’s dollars. You could get a full four-year degree for $8,800. Today that will get you one year’s tuition, or $8,700.
So why does a college degree cost so much? Maybe one reason is that colleges are more resorts these days than educational institution.

Maybe it's time to force colleges that take government money to cut back on the non-educational stuff (leave those to the private sector in the community) and concentrate on good education, at a third of the cost. ]]> barts http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43907-us-colleges-rip-off.html Should the TrackingPoint rifle be a banned weapon? http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43900-should-trackingpoint-rifle-banned-weapon.html Thu, 16 May 2013 18:06:12 GMT Notwithstanding the 2nd Amendment in the US, some types of firearms are banned in some jurisdictions. Should the TrackingPoint rifle be on the list of banned weapons? ---Quote--- Chris... Notwithstanding the 2nd Amendment in the US, some types of firearms are banned in some jurisdictions. Should the TrackingPoint rifle be on the list of banned weapons?

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Chris Frandsen, a West Point graduate who fought in Vietnam, doesn't believe the TrackingPoint technology should be allowed in the civilian world. The gun makes it too easy for a criminal or a terrorist to shoot people from a distance without being detected, he says.

"Where we have mental health issues, where we have children that are disassociated from society early on, when we have terrorists who have political cards to play, we have to restrict weapons that make them more efficient in terrorizing the population," Frandsen says. [Source]
]]> barts http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43900-should-trackingpoint-rifle-banned-weapon.html Live Free or Die. Really? http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43880-live-free-die-really.html Sat, 11 May 2013 14:21:00 GMT The official motto of New Hampshire is Live Free or Die. I have to ask, "really?"

First, what, in fact, does "live free" mean? Very few people actually "live free" given the fundamental demands of getting by on a day to day basis, and the demands created by family, friends, and colleagues. Politically, almost no one is free of the coercive power of the state. As well, most legislatures and legislators in the United States are systemically corrupt because of how election campaigns are funded.

My point? The notion that the vast majority of the good citizens of NH are free is a myth, and the fact is they never will be free. Should they go away and die, in that case?

Great state, New Hampshire (my sister lives there), but super stupid motto. ]]> barts http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43880-live-free-die-really.html Million Man Open Carry March on Washington http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43868-million-man-open-carry-march-washington.html Wed, 08 May 2013 00:33:16 GMT Okay, the title is a bit of an exaggeration...maybe. ... Okay, the title is a bit of an exaggeration...maybe.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...0ea_story.html

While I do understand their cause, I have a feeling this is meant to be something more than a peaceful demonstration. They plan to gather about 10,000 folks, with loaded weapons, and amass upon the capital. Open carry is illegal in D.C. Could this be the start of another revolt....

The march is being led by an Iraqi war veteran, I'm sure he is no stranger to combat. I just wonder what is going to start it; a spooked cop, a trigger happy participant, or a firecracker.

We are talking the 4th of July here; a firecracker going off wouldn't be out of the question.


My question mark key stopped working…lol. Forgive the punctuation mistakes please.

Facebook page -----> https://www.facebook.com/events/2527...ent_mall_reply ]]> EscVelocity http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43868-million-man-open-carry-march-washington.html May Day Anarchists To Compensate Small Businesses Whose Windows Were Smashed http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43867-may-day-anarchists-compensate-small-businesses.html Tue, 07 May 2013 19:31:39 GMT "Seattle: On May Day [2013], as police broke up a downtown demonstration and pushed activists (including anarchists) up Capitol Hill, some windows were broken at local bar Bill's Off Broadway, local bar/distillery Sun Liquor, and a Walgreens drug store.
This prompted some immediate debate about who broke them and why. I heard activist types saying variations on: I'd gladly smash a Bank of America window, but I'd never—and I don't know anyone who would ever—want to break the window of a neighborhood bar or pizzeria."
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/arc...s-were-smashed

Keep in mind, property destruction is one of the biggest critiques facing anarchists. But even that one might not always apply. In addition to this apparent attempt to fix the problem, there's also the fact that not everyone engaged in property destruction is necessarily an anarchist.

So, what are your thoughts on the issue?

Grandpa h. ]]> grandpa http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43867-may-day-anarchists-compensate-small-businesses.html Complying with rape! http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43865-complying-rape.html Tue, 07 May 2013 10:31:23 GMT When someone wants to rape you, the best thing to do is comply. if you don't you might get hurt. What is so bad about sex? if you have the right attitude, you might get a gift out of it!

If a man wants to have sex with a woman while robbing their house, you need to comply. the best way to decline is to say you have aids! If you were to be in a fight with someone stronger than yourself, they might harm you, or kill you. if you were to 'play along', then you will escape unscathed.

I got into a lot of trouble with my suggested rape therapy a while ago on another forum. The way things go with rape therapy, they tell you you are special and that you still matter. Women cry for attention - time to be mature about it. what happened? you had sex! that is the crux of it. what happens when you get into a typical fight? someone gets hurt! where is the hurt in complying? If you were to give in and have some sex, you could have a condom on you and ask them to put it on. this will settle the culture of rapists down, and then they will be more gentle, knowing that you will not put up fight.

If you cannot prevent it, cure it. ]]> Charlatan http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43865-complying-rape.html Baby boss! http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43863-baby-boss.html Tue, 07 May 2013 01:49:02 GMT Do you think that having the babies play the boss, like horse riding games and playing with them when they make tea parties, is good for kids? if they get told from such a young age that they are the... Do you think that having the babies play the boss, like horse riding games and playing with them when they make tea parties, is good for kids? if they get told from such a young age that they are the boss, then surely this will be setting them up for a big fall later in life?

I have a nephew, and since I can remember he has been swearing at me and calling me names. that might be because I irritate him, but that is because I was always playing the part of baby boss with him. sometimes I don't recognise him as a person that is fifteen, but then again, should I have not played that game with him I don't know what I would have done.

Do parents that play the baby boss game harm their relationships with their children or their children directly? ]]> Charlatan http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43863-baby-boss.html Human rights and why they are hard to make universal. http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43862-human-rights-why-they-hard-make.html Mon, 06 May 2013 23:22:49 GMT ---Quote--- Human Rights Article 1 -- Right To Equality All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards...
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Human Rights


Article 1 -- Right To Equality

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.


Article 2 -- Freedom From Discrimination

Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, color, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.


Article 3 -- Right to Security of Person

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.


Article 4 -- Freedom from Slavery

No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.


Article 5 -- Freedom From Inhumane Treatment

No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment or punishment.


Article 6 -- Right To Legal Recognition

Everyone has the right to be recognized as a person before the law.


Article 7 -- Right To Equality Before the Law

All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.


Article 8 -- Right To Remedy by Competent Tribunal

Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted to him by the constitution or by law.


Article 9 -- Freedom From Arbitrary Legal Prosecution

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.


Article 10 -- Right To Fair Public Hearing

Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.


Article 11 -- Right To Be Considered Innocent Until Proven Guilty

(1) Everyone charged with a penal offense has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defense.

(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offense on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offense, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offense was committed.


Article 12 -- Freedom From Interference

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honor and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.


Article 13 -- Right To Free Movement

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State.

(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.


Article 14 -- Right to Asylum From Prosecution

(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy asylum from persecution in other countries.

(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.


Article 15 -- Right To A Nationality

(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.

(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.


Article 16 -- Right To Marriage

(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.

(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.

(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.


Article 17 -- Right To Own Property

(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.

(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.


Article 18 -- Freedom Of Belief

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes the freedom to change religion or belief, and the freedom -- either alone or in community with others and in public or private -- to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.


Article 19 -- Freedom Of Speech

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.


Article 20 -- Right To Peaceful Assembly and Association

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.

(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.


Article 21 -- Right To Participate In Government

(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.

(2) Everyone has the right to equal access to public service in his country.

(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.


Article 22 -- Right To Social Security

Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.


Article 23 -- Right To Desirable Employment

(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favorable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.

(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.

(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favorable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.

(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.


Article 24 -- Right To Rest

Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.


Article 25 -- Right To Adequate Living Standard

(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing, and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.


Article 26 -- Right To Education

(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.

(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.

(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.


Article 27 -- Right To Participate in and Enjoy the Culture of One's Community

(1) Everyone has the right to freely participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.

(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.


Article 28 -- Right To Realization of This Declaration

Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.


Article 29 -- Duties To Community

(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.

(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.

(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.


Article 30 -- Freedom From Interference in Above Rights

Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.
well, there are the human rights. why are they not kept? ]]> Charlatan http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43862-human-rights-why-they-hard-make.html Why are some drugs legal and others not? http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43849-why-some-drugs-legal-others-not.html Sat, 04 May 2013 04:36:57 GMT Why are some drugs legal and others illegal? Is there any reason that Alcohol, Nicotine or Caffeine has any more right to be legal than Marijuana or other illegal drugs? Why are some drugs legal and others illegal? Is there any reason that Alcohol, Nicotine or Caffeine has any more right to be legal than Marijuana or other illegal drugs? ]]> truthreality http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43849-why-some-drugs-legal-others-not.html Is the shooting in Rome a snap shot of the future? http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43831-shooting-rome-snap-shot-future.html Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:15:58 GMT Luigi Prieti wanted to shoot politicians but could not find any - instead, he shot two policemen. Is this the way things are going to be? Luigi blamed the politicians for his unemployment and the... Luigi Prieti wanted to shoot politicians but could not find any - instead, he shot two policemen. Is this the way things are going to be? Luigi blamed the politicians for his unemployment and the fact that he has lost everything - are others going to follow suit? I recently read a book called, The Anger Within by Tom Ericson, which takes the blame/revenge theme as its storyline. A former Royal Marine sniper blames the banks and shoots a number of high profile senior bankers in order to send a message - change or die. It is a well researched crime thriller which poses the question, what if it really happened? The events in Rome seem to prove that it could. Should we start to change things now before more people get angry and start to fight back in this way? ]]> Welsh Dragon http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43831-shooting-rome-snap-shot-future.html Corporal punishments should be reintroduced in schools http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43787-corporal-punishments-should-reintroduced-schools.html Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:57:00 GMT What do u think ?? Should their be stricter rules ? Does the Newtown event proves anything ?? What do u think ?? Should their be stricter rules ? Does the Newtown event proves anything ?? ]]> Abhinav http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43787-corporal-punishments-should-reintroduced-schools.html There are no bad children only bad parents http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43784-there-no-bad-children-only-bad.html Tue, 23 Apr 2013 04:39:51 GMT What do u think ?? Is this the trend that is setting in the modern society?? Children that are born into a family where one or more family members exhibits violence will pass this behavior onto... What do u think ?? Is this the trend that is setting in the modern society??

Children that are born into a family where one or more family members exhibits violence will pass this behavior onto their own children out of bad habits and example. After all this is all the child knows, so it is reasonable to expect that they will continue on with this behavior until someone intervenes and shows them that it is wrong. Baring this is mind, it is a reasonable assumption that a child who has been directly involved with a violent existence throughout their entire childhood will more than likely pass this type of behavior on to their own children.

Our current laws define child abuse as any physical injury, sexual abuse, humiliation, shame oremotional abuse inflicted on a child other than by accidental means. This does not include spanking when administered in a reasonable manner. By reasonable they mean that a child with obvious marks falls under the guidelines of being abused, but a light spanking is permissible, so long as no hand prints or belt marks are imprinted onto the child's body as evidence of a good beating.


Adult survivors of child abuse have only two choices in life, either they learn to control their behavior or they continue to remain a victim, passing on bad behavior in a continuing vicious cycle. Controlling yourself can be easier said then done as your self-concept has been tattered, and quite often you are made to feel like the abuse was completely brought on by your own actions. The majority abusive parents were themselves abused in some way as a child. These parents hit or neglect their children because they were hit or neglected, and they become inadequate parents because of the inadequate parenting they received.

Such atrocities against children are not acceptable. What do u think should be done/ can be done to stop this ?? Shouldnt people learn from others peoples mistake ??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...face-jail.html ]]> Abhinav http://www.volconvo.com/forums/society-rights/43784-there-no-bad-children-only-bad.html