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Old Sep 4, 2007, 12:17 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
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Ron Paul interviewed on freeminds tv:

Free Keene » Ron Paul Interview on Free Minds TV

Check out Rons interview by free-minds tv, in Keene New Hampshire.

Ron addresses many issues in this video that are on individuals minds.

RON PAUL '08---HELP SAVE THE WORLD!


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Old Sep 4, 2007, 03:14 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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Paul claims the Federal Reserve Bank, or any central bank, is unconstitutional. But the US Constitution's Article I, Section 8, clearly gives the US Congress the monetary authority "to coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures." Where does it say the US Congress can't establish a central bank to regulate monetary policy?

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Old Sep 5, 2007, 02:36 am   #3 (permalink) (top)
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I'm so tired of hearing about Ron Paul. By his own admission this person is a Libertarian running as a Republican. He says he is running as a Republican because it's too expensive to run as a third party. He also said he ran for Congress as a Republican because he couldn't be competitive as a Libertarian. Anyone who starts out using the resources of another party to get into the frey does not deserve to be considered as a real candidate.

I'll be happy when this election is over just so I won't have to hear about him anymore.
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Old Sep 5, 2007, 02:04 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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For some reason I cannot connect to the link for his speech. I just get a "page cannot be displayed" thing instead. Any suggestions?
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Old Sep 5, 2007, 02:17 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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I'm so tired of hearing about Ron Paul. By his own admission this person is a Libertarian running as a Republican. He says he is running as a Republican because it's too expensive to run as a third party. He also said he ran for Congress as a Republican because he couldn't be competitive as a Libertarian. Anyone who starts out using the resources of another party to get into the frey does not deserve to be considered as a real candidate.

I'll be happy when this election is over just so I won't have to hear about him anymore.
Well, you could watch cartoons on TV instead of looking at political webpages. He might be a wolf in sheepe clothing but he still has the right to howl. Perhaps he figures that it you cannot defeat them - then join them, that way he can operate from within like a mole. Or like a worm in the apples of the great American Pie.

In spite of his libertarian perspectives he has authored bills that were important for the objectives of Bush and the Republican objectives. And for Texas oil interests. Therefore he has earned the right be on the Republican ticket... even if he does not agree with how people interpret the Consitution.
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Old Sep 5, 2007, 02:23 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
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Paul claims the Federal Reserve Bank, or any central bank, is unconstitutional. But the US Constitution's Article I, Section 8, clearly gives the US Congress the monetary authority "to coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures." Where does it say the US Congress can't establish a central bank to regulate monetary policy?

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I think you missed the point. He thinks that the money must be backed up with gold or something else of international value and not just manufactured without that consitutional aspect being honored.

Also, the IRS is a private company that seems to have lots of power over citizens. One might question if that is consitutional or not.

But I cannot log on to his interview so I am only guessing.
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Old Sep 5, 2007, 08:27 pm   #7 (permalink) (top)
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[b]I think you missed the point. He thinks that the money must be backed up with gold or something else of international value and not just manufactured without that consitutional aspect being honored.

Also, the IRS is a private company that seems to have lots of power over citizens. One might question if that is consitutional or not.

But I cannot log on to his interview so I am only guessing.[/'b]
When you watch the interview, you'll get the point.
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Old Sep 5, 2007, 08:41 pm   #8 (permalink) (top)
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Paul claims the Federal Reserve Bank, or any central bank, is unconstitutional. But the US Constitution's Article I, Section 8, clearly gives the US Congress the monetary authority "to coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures." Where does it say the US Congress can't establish a central bank to regulate monetary policy?

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What does coining money and regulating the value thereof have to do with a central bank printing money. Coining money has a specific connotation of a metallic product. Admitted, it doesn't specify that the metal has to have any intrinsic value, however, I believe that was commonly understood at the time.

And, where does the Constitution allow Congress to delegate that authority to a private bank? It doesn't even allow for delegating the authority to the executive branch in the form of a government owned central bank. And, if the Fed answers to anyone in the government, it's most certainly to the executive branch, and not the legislative, other than indirectly.

If we were to take the Constitution literally and appropriately, the Treasury Department would be under direct control of Congress, making money backed by something of real value, and the Fed wouldn't exist at all.

But, since when has our government even followed the Constitution?

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Old Sep 5, 2007, 09:43 pm   #9 (permalink) (top)
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What does coining money and regulating the value thereof have to do with a central bank printing money. Coining money has a specific connotation of a metallic product. Admitted, it doesn't specify that the metal has to have any intrinsic value, however, I believe that was commonly understood at the time.
Huh? Why would the Constitutional Congress limit American money supplies to a metal currency? The American colonies tried to print paper money until 1751, when the English Parliament banned that currency form. The constitution doesn't prohibit paper representations of precious metals.

Whether that paper money MUST at all times have actual metals in stock to back it up is also not clearly prescribed in the US Constitution. It's a good idea, certainly, but a literal reading of the document makes no such rule evident.

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And, where does the Constitution allow Congress to delegate that authority to a private bank?
What "private bank"--the Federal Reserve run by presidentially appointed Board of Governors and operated by 12 regional banks under the oversight of the Department of the Treasury? That "private bank?"

And where does the US Constitution limit the US Congress to practice any form of "delegating" it damn well chooses? Where are those limits, specifically?
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Old Sep 5, 2007, 10:42 pm   #10 (permalink) (top)
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I don't really care under what ticket he's running...if he makes it through to the primaries (unlikely), I'm voting for him.

Why? He's the only one so far who makes the most sense, who tells it like it is, and who seems to do the least amount of politicking.

Which is exactly why he won't make it into the primaries.
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Old Sep 5, 2007, 11:21 pm   #11 (permalink) (top)
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watching the fox debate now. I'm telling you what...
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Old Sep 6, 2007, 01:03 am   #12 (permalink) (top)
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At least we have a Ron Paul promo added to Volconvo which is good as I was tired of seenig Obama's mug all over the place.

At last I got to see the interviews and his speech.

Everything he said sounded good, his one man revolution clearly captured the excitement of that crowd. Getting Congress and the Senate to cheer on his revolution after being elected would not be as easy of a task.

He claims that he would bring back traditional republican ideas and clearly does not agree with the current republican party trends.

He is one of the best speakers in the nomination circut.

Not absolutly sure if I agree with his desire to islolate America from the rest of he world but it might give us a chance to recover from some of our woes, if applied as an temporary break. I have even heard some of the same ideas that he holds too being expressed by left wing intellectuals, namely by Jerry Brown of California. So he has cross-over appeal in some issues, He presented a collection of crowd pleasing one liners. Not mush to disagree with due to the lack of actual details.

But if America wants a change. He would sure the hell do that, a radical change.

Not sure if allowing state governors to be in charge of all laws is such a good idea. For all we know they might have worse ideas and who would get state government "off our backs and out of our pockets"? But at least you could move to the state that agrees with you and still remain patriot.

The things I do not like about Ron Paul he did not talk about in the link provided, so I will not get into that in this thread.

And guess what, I did not hear any heckles from any little jerks in that mostly young audiance. Hmm, very unrepublican of him not to get booed.
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Old Sep 6, 2007, 01:12 am   #13 (permalink) (top)
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I think--read, I hope--people are more and more getting tired of our bipartisan system.

Although the current administration absolutely offends my sensibilities, the newly-won Democratic Senate has done absolutely nothing to impress me, and the more I see of Clinton's and Obama's campaigns, the more I'm convinced they're nothing but flip sides of the same coin.

America needs a real change. Especially after the last 8 years. The more off-center Ron Paul goes, the more I support him.
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Old Sep 6, 2007, 01:36 am   #14 (permalink) (top)
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Ron Paul, at 12:00 midnight, EST, won the debate with 33% of the votes, roughly the percentage of both the second and third place canidates added together.

More people are learning about Paul, and I think many can respect the parity between what he says, and what he does in office.

Welcome thrashee, and I couldn't agree more on the point of ending the bi-partisan monopoly on political power.


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Old Sep 6, 2007, 09:33 pm   #15 (permalink) (top)
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Ron Paul, at 12:00 midnight, EST, won the debate with 33% of the votes, roughly the percentage of both the second and third place canidates added together.

More people are learning about Paul, and I think many can respect the parity between what he says, and what he does in office.

Welcome thrashee, and I couldn't agree more on the point of ending the bi-partisan monopoly on political power.
If you think that giving our tax money to an oil company in his own state of Texas is consitutional and writing another bill to allow them to cause more polution by rolling back governmental standards shows concern for the health of citizens or a concern about climate changes, then vote for him and continue to allow the oil industry to control politics. Just check his in-office record of what bills he wrote as a parity of what to expect.

HIs oil drenched platform stinks of dead sea birds.

He cannnot disban Congress so he would just be changing bi-partisan politics with tri-partisan politics. Such added complexity would not magically make things run smoother in Washington DC.

Ron Paul fans have been hyped up on a big fantasy, time to come back down to the ground and get in touch with realistic politcs.
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Old Sep 7, 2007, 01:38 pm   #16 (permalink) (top)
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Ron Paul fans have been hyped up on a big fantasy, time to come back down to the ground and get in touch with realistic politcs.

I wouldn't think Democrats would not want to talk track record", but hey, if you think thats the angle that needs to be covered, why not google some of your representatives past voting records, and critique them?


Too traumatic?


I suspect that would let all the hot air out of that big gas bag.
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Old Sep 7, 2007, 01:53 pm   #17 (permalink) (top)
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Techno, keep hanging on your "oil"legislation, the ONLY thing that COULD be called dirt, on Ron Paul.

Pauls voting history wipes the floor with ALL other canidates, regardless of party, when viewed in the context of Constitutionality.

I would make a list of all the unconstitutional Demodips bills created and sponsored, both passed and unpassed, but I don't think Jason can afford the loss of 75% of his forum space.

Techno...... boogidy, boogidy..... :rolleyes:


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Old Sep 7, 2007, 04:43 pm   #18 (permalink) (top)
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explain (link me) to me the oil platform thing. I've seen you mention it.
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Old Sep 7, 2007, 04:57 pm   #19 (permalink) (top)
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Ron Paul hasn't decried Israel since he started running for president. He is a coward.
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Old Sep 7, 2007, 05:01 pm   #20 (permalink) (top)
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Ron Paul hasn't decried Israel since he started running for president. He is a coward.
He's put himself in the most vulnerable position a candidate could fathom residing in: criticizing not just the war (polls apparently indicate America is sick of it), but the smug American attitude that nothing we do with our foreign policy has a logical cause and effect.

Stating that he is a coward because of one particular issue that you seemingly care about is incredibly myopic, imho.
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