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Arawn-ap-Hywel · Apr 21, 2006, 04:45 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4929962.stm

One of the Roman Catholic Church's most distinguished cardinals has publicly backed the use of condoms among married couples to prevent Aids transmission.
Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini said that in couples where one had HIV/Aids, which could pass to the partner, the use of condoms was "a lesser evil".

bishop · Apr 21, 2006, 05:03 pm

too bad the current pope is completely inflexible when it comes to condoms (and anything else)..

the idea that people should only have sex to reproduce is total bullshit, and the church's stance is not supported in the bible. if god created our bodies, as the church argues, then why in the hell were our bodies made in such a way that having sex feels so good? personally, the church's ridiculous stance towards sex is unhuman - to embrace sexuality is to embrace your humanity to some degree.

Osborn F Enready · Apr 21, 2006, 05:29 pm

More proof of how they attempt to change society through dogma, and projected guilt.

DavidShankle · Apr 22, 2006, 01:27 am

Here's a thought.... if you don't like the Catholics' views, then don't be Catholic. Damn I'm insightful!! That's what that heretical bishop should've done.

bishop · Apr 22, 2006, 02:05 am

are you talking to me?

Nono · Apr 22, 2006, 04:30 pm

Putting a postive spin on things (which is about all I can do, being surrounded by fervent Catholics both privately and professionally -- well that's my take :) ), this demonstrates once again that the Church isn't an absolute monolith. Good thing, eh?

DavidShankle · Apr 25, 2006, 06:14 pm

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Quote by: Nono

Putting a postive spin on things (which is about all I can do, being surrounded by fervent Catholics both privately and professionally -- well that's my take :) ), this demonstrates once again that the Church isn't an absolute monolith. Good thing, eh?

sure it is.... if this Cardinal feels that limited condom use is acceptable, then he is a heretic, and he is ipso facto removed from his position in the Church. Even though Ratzinger and the other apostates that are at high levels of the Church, his heretical claims removes him from the Church... So its not the Church that has fallen, its simply that man.

Zhavric · Apr 26, 2006, 10:23 am

To the Catholic church, admitting they're dead wrong on any subject is like stripping naked in public.

**Jack** · Apr 26, 2006, 10:29 am

In religion, compassion and common sense always take a back seat to doctrine. Keeping the faithful in line is the paramount concern. Their health and happiness is only important if they conform to doctrine.

Sandy · Apr 26, 2006, 10:36 am

Actually, there are no sins in the Catholic church that can't be forgiven with a few bucks in the tray. My father's side of the family were all Catholics and not a single sign of ethics could be found in any of them. They had it made, as they never missed a Mass.

bishop · Apr 26, 2006, 10:40 am

i was raised catholic, but i'm not an actively practicing catholic.. i don't need any special religious club to tell me what to do in order to have my own relationship with god. the church has far more sin on its hands than i can ever achieve myself. the church is tainted goods.

Arawn-ap-Hywel · Apr 30, 2006, 04:51 pm

Would appear its a popular choice amongst the priests in the UK

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...30/ixhome.html

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Two-thirds of Roman Catholic priests in England and Wales believe that the use of condoms could be acceptable.

In a survey of clergy conducted by The Sunday Telegraph, 65 per cent of those questioned said that they thought it morally defensible to use condoms in order to curb the spread of HIV.

I wonder if they practice what they preach

**Jack** · Apr 30, 2006, 05:17 pm

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I wonder if they practice what they preach

Two-thirds of Roman Catholic alter boys in England and Wales sure hope so!

Arawn-ap-Hywel · May 3, 2006, 05:07 pm

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Is Pope poised to sanction condoms?
Vatican's rethink on ban signals historic move to cut the spread of Aids

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article361564.ece

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The Catholic Church is on the brink of a historic change of approach over condoms which could bring hope to millions in Africa and other parts of the developing world devastated by Aids.
"We are conducting a very profound scientific, technical and moral study," said the head of the Vatican Council for Health Pastoral Care. The church is expected to give a guarded, provisional blessing to the use of condoms by married couples when one of them suffers from Aids, as a way of protecting the health of the other partner.

god what next women priests?

underbear1 · May 3, 2006, 05:09 pm

Turn about only seems fair, the HIV/AIDS community suggests limited use of Cardinals.

Arawn-ap-Hywel · May 3, 2006, 05:15 pm

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Quote by: underbear1

Turn about only seems fair, the HIV/AIDS community suggests limited use of Cardinals.

Well Who blame them men in frocks have that air of uncertainty about them

Apr 21, 2006, 04:45 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Arawn-ap-Hywel Hot Lava Posts: 1,184	Cardinal backs limited condom use http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4929962.stm One of the Roman Catholic Church's most distinguished cardinals has publicly backed the use of condoms among married couples to prevent Aids transmission. Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini said that in couples where one had HIV/Aids, which could pass to the partner, the use of condoms was "a lesser evil".

Apr 21, 2006, 05:03 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	too bad the current pope is completely inflexible when it comes to condoms (and anything else).. the idea that people should only have sex to reproduce is total bullshit, and the church's stance is not supported in the bible. if god created our bodies, as the church argues, then why in the hell were our bodies made in such a way that having sex feels so good? personally, the church's ridiculous stance towards sex is unhuman - to embrace sexuality is to embrace your humanity to some degree. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Apr 21, 2006, 05:29 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	More proof of how they attempt to change society through dogma, and projected guilt. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Apr 22, 2006, 02:05 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	are you talking to me? hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Apr 22, 2006, 04:30 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Nono Throbbing Member Location: Old Europe Posts: 7,322	Putting a postive spin on things (which is about all I can do, being surrounded by fervent Catholics both privately and professionally -- well that's my take :) ), this demonstrates once again that the Church isn't an absolute monolith. Good thing, eh? "I wish I was as cocksure of anything as Tom Macaulay is of everything." -- Viscount Melbourne

Apr 22, 2006, 01:27 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
DavidShankle Sedimentary Rock Posts: 24	Here's a thought.... if you don't like the Catholics' views, then don't be Catholic. Damn I'm insightful!! That's what that heretical bishop should've done.

Apr 26, 2006, 10:23 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
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Apr 26, 2006, 10:29 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,090	In religion, compassion and common sense always take a back seat to doctrine. Keeping the faithful in line is the paramount concern. Their health and happiness is only important if they conform to doctrine. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Apr 26, 2006, 10:36 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
Sandy Igneous Magma Posts: 264	Actually, there are no sins in the Catholic church that can't be forgiven with a few bucks in the tray. My father's side of the family were all Catholics and not a single sign of ethics could be found in any of them. They had it made, as they never missed a Mass.

Apr 26, 2006, 10:40 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	i was raised catholic, but i'm not an actively practicing catholic.. i don't need any special religious club to tell me what to do in order to have my own relationship with god. the church has far more sin on its hands than i can ever achieve myself. the church is tainted goods. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

May 3, 2006, 05:09 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
underbear1 BANNED Posts: 2,630	Turn about only seems fair, the HIV/AIDS community suggests limited use of Cardinals.