Moussaoui Calls 9/11 Families' Grief 'Disgusting

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: shrike Question to all that dont believe official version. If there so much holes in official version why no one goes to court and proves his point?

Because there is no oversight. We have a de-facto dictatorship. No investigation and the scene of the crime was purged of evidence by R. Gulliani. The only official investigation is full of omissions and lies.

[rmnunez]

Oh, but they have, didn't you see the engineering report (done by an economist) on WTC structural detonations. How about those photographs from the Frenchman which conclusively prove no aircraft collide into the Pentagon. The conspiracy theorists have made a field day with the attacks and we are constantly told that OBL is a pawn in Bush's hand (remember he used to be on the CIA payroll). Bush is trying to conceal his real motive (greed, vengance, crusade, the 3rd Reich...) anything but common sense.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: rmnunez Oh, but they have, didn't you see the engineering report (done by an economist) on WTC structural detonations.

Did you see the report by the UL administrator whose division approved the steel for the towers. He said the towers were constructed of steel graded to withstand any kind of fire. That jet fuel did not cause the demolition.

How about those photographs from the Frenchman which conclusively prove no aircraft collide into the Pentagon.

How about those photos the Pentagon released after they snipped several frames (including the frames that had the plane). I am not positive of WHAT hit the Pentagon. But I am positive there is a cover-up. What could they be hiding in those missing frames? Yes, I am suspicious of the size of the entry hole.

The conspiracy theorists have made a field day with the attacks and we are constantly told that OBL is a pawn in Bush's hand (remember he used to be on the CIA payroll).

So hows old smoke em out "Dead or Alive", been doing lately?

Bush is trying to conceal his real motive (greed, vengance, crusade, the 3rd Reich...) anything but common sense.

What? You expect him to just come out and proudly declare he participated in attacks on Americans to create a helpful wave of patriotism, so he could go after any nation he wanted on the premise of fighting terrorism?
That if anyone criticized his policy, they would be branded as traitors.
That his campaign for fighting terror would be open-ended, time-wise, and that even the flimsiest of evidence would seal the fate of any nation who had oil or other prime real estate?

The bush admins "real motive" is plain for all to see. With an open mind of course.

[rmnunez]

Its of "open minds" to think Bush "participated in attacks on (united statians) to create a helpful wave of patriotism, so he could go after any nation he wanted on the premise of fighting terrorism"?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: rmnunez Its of "open minds" to think Bush "participated in attacks on (united statians) to create a helpful wave of patriotism, so he could go after any nation he wanted on the premise of fighting terrorism"?

I didnt want to believe it. My first instinct was that it was an inside job. But I didnt want to believe it. I tried to reason around the events of the day, to prove my gut feeling was wrong. I couldnt figure out why the Air Force had taken the day off (A Tuesday).
Then the stories were coming in on Wednesday, that Willie Brown had been warned not to fly. Then there was a hijackers passport found unscathed. Rudy Gulliani acted suspicious, on Sept. 10th he was public enemy numero uno.

Link "There is something very deeply pathological about Rudy's humanity. <snip> If nothing else, the movie will remind voters that Mayor Giuliani wasn't so popular before 9/11. Mickey Carroll, Quinnipiac University Poll: "He couldn't get along with the black community, he had gone on television to say he was going to divorce his wife before he got around to telling her. These were a lot of negatives." Former Police Commissioner Bill Bratton is also in the film. It's title "Giuliani Time" comes from the Abner Louima scandal. It's something a police officer allegedly said during the attack.

And that he had brought women home with him before he was seperated. His wife wand kids were in the house (if I remember correctly).
The FDNY came down hard on Rudy right away. Rudy had werehoused Walkie Talkies that would work in the towers a million dollars worth, while the FDNY could not communicate with other floors with what they had. This was known about before 911. Rudys inhumanity reared its ugly head. Rudy killed Fire fighters.

People who escaped were telling how the PA system was telling everyone to stay in their offices after the first plane had hit. Thats Marvin Bushs security, trying to maximize the deaths.


I could go on but I have to go for now.

TTYL

[rmnunez]

It seems you have problems with both Giuliani and Bush, is it because they are conservative Republicans?

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: rmnunez It seems you have problems with both Giuliani and Bush, is it because they are conservative Republicans?

Maybe it's because he (and I) blame Bush and Giuliani more than Moussaoui for 9/11...

[rmnunez]

Critical lefties subscribe to the view 911 was a reaction to US foreign policy (mainly against supporting Israel and propping-up Muslim tyrants), hence the government (though not Bush in particular) would have something to do with 911. But the expressions from the terrorists refered to religious rather than political motives.

If instead of seeing the 911 attacks as an expression of opposition to US foreign policy, critical lefties saw it as a jihad for Islamic fundamentalism things might be clearer to these critics.

[PatrickHenry]

Damn! Nunez, we argue right past each other don't we? Or at least you don't read my stuff more than superficially...

I am not a fuckin' lefty, dammit!

So stop using that term unless you're just trying to piss me off!

I criticise US policy as a humanitarian and a man concerned with justice and fairness. Is that the position you selfish righties oppose? The US has overwhelming capacities to work its will on the world, both militarily and financially. Why does it not do good instead of work its bloodletting and horror both domestically and internationally? Could it be because a cynical elite has the reins of power?

And my hatred of Bush and Giuliani is based on my research that shows both of them were MORE ACTIVELY INVOLVED in the 9/11 attacks than was the hapless Moussaoui in custody...

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: rmnunez It seems you have problems with both Giuliani and Bush, is it because they are conservative Republicans?

You are kidding, right? In what way are they "conservative"?

They wasted no time in gutting our national treasure and then borrowing more money from other countries than all other presidents COMBINED.
They are Cons not Conservatives.

And no, I dont think the mafia is bad because they are Italian, but because of the crimes they have committed.

Quote by: rmnunez If instead of seeing the 911 attacks as an expression of opposition to US foreign policy, critical lefties saw it as a jihad for Islamic fundamentalism things might be clearer to these critics.

Some critical lefties see 911 as a catalyst for the NWO agenda to establish military bases in the heart of the middle east, to control the oil and water is to control the world. Wheres Osama? The "master mind" *ahem, cough* of 911 is out there lurking (under YOUR BED!!!)
911 was a US-Israeli plot to drum up hate for Islam, by making the hijackers muslims.

So I don't know where he (Osama Bin Laden) is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. g.w. bush March 13, 2002 link

6 months earlier it was "Smoke em out!" "Dead or alive" OBL was public enemy number one. What changed? On March 13 2002 "The War on Terror" became "The War of Terror". They still reserved the right to wave OBL around in order to get what they wanted. But OBL never actually had a hand in 911.

CNN Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks September 17, 2001 Posted: 11:21 AM EDT (1521 GMT) DOHA, Qatar (CNN) -- Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands. In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it. "I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said. "I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said. more...

[gr8fuldaniel]

This guy should walk

Link Psychiatrist Testifies Moussaoui Has Paranoid Schizophrenia By Timothy Dwyer and Bill Brubaker Washington Post Staff Writers Wednesday, April 19, 2006; 12:12 PM A clinical psychiatrist from Columbia University testified today that Zacarias Moussaoui has paranoid schizophrenia, a diagnosis similar to the one offered by another mental health professional at the death penalty trial of the confessed terrorist conspirator. Michael First, who edits the standard diagnostic manual for the mental health profession, testified in federal court in Alexandria that Moussaoui suffers from delusions and disorganized speech--two of the five symptoms of a paranoid schizophrenic.

[rmnunez]

PH, you are critical of the government, though not a lefty. My reference to critical lefties is directed at those who criticise the government from a leftish perspective.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Clarence yep. The man standing in court is dangerous, no doubt. more importantly, there's no denying he is in the loop and willing. But, Rick is right about the situation as a whole. What creates this sort of person? Was he always this way?

I think who cares if he was always this way. He's probably been evaluated ad nauseum.

All the hijackers were nuts, and none had been incarcerated. Some may have been dumb, but they could fly a plane. You can be dumb, or nuts, and still know right from wrong.

If he had anything to do with the planning of 9/11 he needs to be punished.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: MM All the hijackers were nuts

Indeed, especially when we find out WHO the real hijackers were. We need to remain objective and at least look at alternate possibilities when the real scenario is contrary to the official story. OBL said he didnt do it but complimented those who pulled it off. OBL has always been proud of his work. OBL and Moussaoui are innocent bystanders. Not only were they not involved in the planning, nor the hijacking itself, they were only useful as boogeymen.

Everybody is entitled to believe what they want and everyone has a right to be wrong.

There were no Arabic names on the flight manifests.
Flight 77 (Pentagon plane) (more) All other flight manifests are equally devoid of "Arabic names".

1/3 of the alleged hijackers later turned up alive and well. This alone tells me we are being lied to, and that we can no longer just blindly trust the rest of the fable.

Two of the 911 planes also showed up operating later. A little odd?
And Another:

911 Review I noticed a flight with the tail number N078AA the problem is, this plane never existed. It was never entered into the American Airlines database ?

These are only the beginning of the huge flaws in the official story.

The unpredictability of kamikazee (sp?) pilots opens the door for a more reliable and available technology, that has been outfitted on planes for years. A planes controls can be hijacked REMOTELY. No need for human error (like fear) to screw up a major assault. Not when it means ruling the world as a benefit for a days work. One cataclysmic job would bring a favorable wave of patriotic vigilantism. A lynch mob mentality. But it was focused on the wrong demon.

You wont find the following "alternate endings" in any mainstream media reports. That doesnt mean we should completely rule out the likelyhood of what really happened behind the scenes.

Arctic Beacon <snip> "The Black Pope must cause a war using a country he also wishes to further destroy. Enter the "Holy Roman" Fourteenth Amendment American Jesuit Empire created in 1868 on the ruins of George Washington's Calvinist Republic, the last political stronghold of the Protestant Reformation with freedom of conscience, freedom of speech and freedom of the press." Specifically, the devious 9/11 plan has been a topic of interest for more than four years with many scenarios being offered, but none have added the spiritual ingredient of the Jesuits. Here is the Jesuit General Kovenbach's plan, according to Phelp's research: "In synchronizing his worldwide overt and covert factions to work the Order's evil ends of the Vatican's Counter-Reformation in restoring the Papal Caesar as the absolute Universal Monarch of the World," wrote Phelps, adding "the Black Pope used his Masonically-controlled, fanatically anti-Jewish Race, Islamic Intelligence operatives under the domestic control of the CIA (Osama bin Laden having been directed, financed and trained by the CIA for at least ten years. "Just like Jesuit-trained and CIA-financed Fidel Castro before he, like bin Laden, became a false enemy of the CFR-controlled American government) to be openly and notoriously instructed as Islamic pilots at the Venice Airport (a Florida facility used by the CIA since 1948) in order for Archbishop Egan's controlled American Press to spread the prepared news release that the doomed airliners were hijacked by "Arab terrorists" in the employ of Osama bin Laden when in fact, to the horror of the American pilots, the airliners had been taken over and guided to their targets, remotely controlled by American Military Intelligence operatives overseen by the Black Pope's CIA/NSA. "The Mussulmans in training never boarded the airliners involved in the September attacks evidenced by the absence of Islamic names on all four passenger lists. There was no fight between the passengers and the "hijackers" on flight 93, as reported by the deceived wife of the late Jeremy Glick. "For flight 93 was shot down by an F-16 fighter, blowing off its wing which landed at least six miles away from the main wreckage! And if the inexperienced "hijackers" had boarded all four airliners, the novices never would have been able to navigate the planes into the targets unless they had been crack fighter pilots according to a group of highly professional, both civilian and military, American aviators. "Archbishop Egan's CFR-controlled American Press then placed the blame for these acts of high treason and murder squarely on the shoulders of the Black Pope's Saudi prince and CIA operative, Osama bin Laden, including his al-Qaeda Network secretly working for the Jesuit General's International Terrorist Network. Tens of thousands of "heretic and liberal" Americans perished, thereby justifying a war between the Moslem World and 'the Great Satan'." "Although many have agreed the world is involved in a spiritual battle, Americans have failed to connect the deceptive dots, clinging to the shallow theory of a Muslim, Christian and Jewish battle without considering the possibility of a more demonic presence actually pulling the puppet strings. More....

There is a cover-up going on and a whitewash commission will not disclose it willingly.

We must demand answers. Our questions have gone unanswered for 5 years. There is something sinister at play, and its an inside job.

I know we are supposed to support our leaders..........Shouldnt they give us a reason to, first?

Quote by: rmnunez It seems you have problems with both Giuliani and Bush, is it because they are conservative Republicans?

You do the math:

BBC "I was right near Liverpool (Street) station when the first bomb went off and was notified of it," he (Rudy Giuliani) said.

He was also in this building

during terrorism 'exercises' on 911.
He has a knack for being within garage door opener remote
of all the biggest acts of terrorism lately.



Check this out:
Was Giuliani in London for terror 'exercises'?

Why is Rudy even considering a run for president of USA? Is he eligible if he holds a title of nobility in a foreign country? How about if hes a terrorist?

Look at the Mafia thug he was endorsing for DHS. Bernie keric. If it looks like shit, smells like shit, do you need to taste it to actually KNOW, its shit?