Feingold to call for rare presidential censure

[bishop]

Quote by: milton You being an apologist for these people doesn't help either.

what???

show where i've been an apologist for the dems/republicans.. and if you can't, you're just blowing more hot air out your ass - as usual.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Milton I guess you missed where I typed...

No, I saw it. I am just stunned that anyone would consider an illiterate underachiever who has failed at every business matter he has ever touched, should be considered as presidential material. We also knew in advance that he was a deserter and a coke-fiend who was in bed with the Taliban. He is an elitist Macheavellian whose religion alone should eliminate him from the running. People who voted for him were actually voting against abortion, rather than FOR bush. So it doesnt really matter to them that he is mentally retarded because if he is against abortion, he must be morally superior being. A false positive. As we now know he is an avid fan of extreme bloodshed. He enjoys a good massacre. "Feels Good!!"
He has a history as a juvinile delinquent of torturing small animals. Now he likes to torture brown people in Afghanistan and Iraq and New Orleans and Cuba. As governor he poisoned the air. And murdered more convicts than anyone in history. What were his positives? That he wouldnt trade with China? And now it looks like he is handing port security over to China.

Los Angeles Chronicle REPUBLICAN SWEETHEART PORT SECURITY DEALS PUT FOREIGN CORPORATIONS AS LAST LINE OF DEFENSE American Families Must Come First, American Personnel Must Be in Place. WASHINGTON, DC- House Democratic Chairman James E. Clyburn criticized the Bush administration today for awarding a no-bid contract that puts a Chinese company in charge of scanning shipping containers bound for the U.S. He called for U.S. customs agents to be put in place at foreign ports to ensure U.S. bound cargo is safe. Following are Clyburn's comments: "Our families and communities should not have to live with foreign private interests as our last line of defense from terrorism. U.S. customs agents must be in position at foreign ports as our last line of defense to scan shipping containers before they reach our shores. When a ship with a smuggled nuclear war head reaches a U.S. port, it's too late. "What happened to competitive bidding? What is it about American workers and businesses that this administration finds so disdainful? "The Bush administration is a hurricane of incompetence. They have been asleep on the issue of port security for the past five-and-a-half years? This administration needs to wake up and pull together a consistent and comprehensive plan on port security, and putting Americans in charge of cargo security at foreign ports needs to be part of that plan." Clyburn's comments come in response to news reports that the Bush administration awarded a no-bid contract to a Chinese company, Hutchison Whampoa Ltd., to screen cargo moving through a port in the Bahamas. The contract does not require that U.S. Customs agents be present for the screening because the Dempartment of Energy, the agency running the program, does not control U.S. customs agents. Hutchison Whampoa was cited in 1999 in a U.S. military intelligence report as a potential risk for smuggling arms and other prohibited materials into the United States from the Bahamas.

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Its a brief article, so I posted the whole thing. Fair use rules apply. Do not use this article to profit, it is posted here to educate only.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: bishop what??? show where i've been an apologist for the dems/republicans.. and if you can't, you're just blowing more hot air out your ass - as usual.

That is how I took that whole post I quoted above. If you are not making excuses, I don't know what you are doing.


Perhaps you would like me to qualify that statement. By apologist, I am talking specifically about how you constanlty let Democrats, and Republicans off the hook for sitting in Congress, or the Senate, and letting the unconstitutional legislation get passed into law. The only people with any real power to prevent this travesty of justice at this level is the people elected to represent the people, and protect their voice in government, thus the required oath of office with it's punishable offenses.


Is that all libertarian fluff too?

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel No, I saw it. I am just stunned that anyone would consider an illiterate underachiever who has failed at every business matter he has ever touched, should be considered as presidential material. We also knew in advance that he was a deserter and a coke-fiend who was in bed with the Taliban. He is an elitist Macheavellian whose religion alone should eliminate him from the running. People who voted for him were actually voting against abortion, rather than FOR bush. So it doesnt really matter to them that he is mentally retarded because if he is against abortion, he must be morally superior being. A false positive. As we now know he is an avid fan of extreme bloodshed. He enjoys a good massacre. "Feels Good!!" He has a history as a juvinile delinquent of torturing small animals. Now he likes to torture brown people in Afghanistan and Iraq and New Orleans and Cuba. As governor he poisoned the air. And murdered more convicts than anyone in history. What were his positives? That he wouldnt trade with China? And now it looks like he is .

Well, to be fair, we didn't know a lot of those things then, but then we only had the media to rely on didn't we? Suckers, er , I mean, poor us.


You also completely overlook the obvious. The outsourcing, the redistribution of wealth will continue with Democrats in power. They will not repeal bad laws, they will not give up the power concentrated in the Executive. It will just be a "feel good" move because "calmer heads have prevailed". Unfortunately, it's all a big lie, and nothing will change. Remember all those Democrats names on the Patriot Act, and all the other bogus laws you fault this administration for passing. They all required a little help from somewhere.

[bishop]

Quote by: Milton Bradley That is how I took that whole post I quoted above. If you are not making excuses, I don't know what you are doing. Perhaps you would like me to qualify that statement. By apologist, I am talking specifically about how you constanlty let Democrats, and Republicans off the hook for sitting in Congress, or the Senate, and letting the unconstitutional legislation get passed into law. The only people with any real power to prevent this travesty of justice at this level is the people elected to represent the people, and protect their voice in government, thus the required oath of office with it's punishable offenses. Is that all libertarian fluff too?

yeah.... maybe you should read my posts before posting your dumbassed blather.. i'll quote myself, then you can tell me if i'm really an apologist for the two parties in charge. how's that sound champ?

Quote by: bishop the democrats are definitely nutless wonders... they don't even have the courage to go after bush when he blatantly breaks the law!

Quote by: bishop as a whole, the two parties in power definitely don't deserve to be in power..

Quote by: bishop anyways, back to feingold... he is a very good example of a politician from a major, corrupt, party who consistently works to serve the middle class - his voting record proves this to be true.

Quote by: bishop dan should respond himself, but i think he's consistently supported democrats that aren't afraid to stand up for what they believe in.. and those members typically act independently rather than with their corrupt leadership.

that isn't all of the comments i've made on the two parties in power, but it's definitely enough to show that all you have to say is, unfortunately, nothing BUT fluff..

just like a bushbot, you think that my criticism of the LP instantly translates into favor for the two parties in charge.. WRONG! (either that or you have a problem reading.)


and to be relevant to this thread, people like feingold have done more for the public than rambling fools like badnarik have. AND, people like feingold have vastly more ability to represent the public than rambling fools like badnarik will ever have (or at least for the foreseeable future)..

so again, this is why i am hoping to see good representatives from both major parties break off and form their own party - one that would serve the public and would be filled with solid and respectable candidates. feingold is currently a shining example of the type of representative i'm talking about.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: bishop yeah.... maybe you should read my posts before posting your dumbassed blather.. i'll quote myself, then you can tell me if i'm really an apologist for the two parties in charge. how's that sound champ?

Speaking ill of, or pointing ou the obvious only makes you a critic, not the opposition.

Quote by: bishop that isn't all of the comments i've made on the two parties in power, but it's definitely enough to show that all you have to say is, unfortunately, nothing BUT fluff.. just like a bushbot, you think that my criticism of the LP instantly translates into favor for the two parties in charge.. WRONG! (either that or you have a problem reading.)

It might as well, because thats about how much change attitudes like that will affect. Zip, nadda, nil. So, by all means, lets just carry on as we are, and "prretned" to be sympathetic to the message of those who would actually demand change. ( Like Ricksp )

Quote by: bishop and to be relevant to this thread, people like feingold have done more for the public than rambling fools like badnarik have. AND, people like feingold have vastly more ability to represent the public than rambling fools like badnarik will ever have (or at least for the foreseeable future)..

Feingold has a podium from which to get his message out. Who got to hear Badnarik's message again? ( I know you did, but nobody I run into on the street ever heard that name, thus iilustrating my point.)

Quote by: bishop so again, this is why i am hoping to see good representatives from both major parties break off and form their own party - one that would serve the public and would be filled with solid and respectable candidates. feingold is currently a shining example of the type of representative i'm talking about.

Isn't that what a Libertarian is?


So you alledge that you would support "good" representatives if they broke off from the syndicate, and ventured out on their own. Can I assume that by "good"", you mean "law abiding", "legal representation", like for example the constitution speaks of?


Shit, what were you saying again? :rolleyes:

[bishop]

or, is there some worthwhile point you're trying to push here? (seems like nothing more than a hostile, pissed off little libertarian, angry that people aren't eager to jump on the LP bandwagon.)

and, i can't be a true opponent of the republicans and democrats in the sense of backing another party to topple them, because i haven't found another party worth my vote.

and, i've already stated in this thread what i consider a good representative to be... try reading before posting even more nonsense.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: bishop or, is there some worthwhile point you're trying to push here? (seems like nothing more than a hostile, pissed off little libertarian, angry that people aren't eager to jump on the LP bandwagon.)

I only seem hostlie, and pissed off because, like Rick, you only seem capable of talking the talk, whereas there should be a walking the walk that follows. You're a poser.

Quote by: bishop and, i can't be a true opponent of the republicans and democrats in the sense of backing another party to topple them, because i haven't found another party worth my vote.

Oh, I guess you wouldn't want to be "a true opponent" of outsourcing, wealth redistributoin, fraud, spying on citizens, excessive taxes, the Executive power grab, trampling of States rights, the War on Drugs, etc, etc, etc...at the expense of *gasp* change, because that might shrink your 401k portfolio. You're a poser.

Quote by: bishop and, i've already stated in this thread what i consider a good representative to be... try reading before posting even more nonsense.

It's not nonsense, it's the truth cutting uncommfortably close to the bone.

[bishop]

so, what's your point again?

anything more than this immature name-calling nonsense you're currently pushing?

big soft poop in my pocket.

[Osborn F Enready]

Did anybody watch the coverage of the Censure hearing on C-Span?

How can anyone, support any of these morons?

What an absolute despicable, display of nutless, paid-off, smirking, sell-out shills.

I saw one witness that was truly on the mark, and I think that was Fein?

Spectre is a traitor, how does Pennsylvania leave this assmunch in office?

I will say that Republican Graham brought up some valid points, but not enough to stop censure or impeachment in my opinion, considering the level of treason being committed in the majority of the administration.

[bishop]

nope, i didn't catch it.. the only bit i heard was the former nixon official's testimony..

the thing that i'm heartened about is that amongst all the pussies up on on the hill, from bush's lemmings to their spinless jellyfish "opposition", feingold's sticking to his guns.. amazing that the republicans literally gave the democrats a chance to censure bush and they aren't willing to take it - yet they criticize him whenever their dumb asses show up on tv.. when they get the chance to put their money where they're mouths are, they turn to chicken shit.

i have to say, feingold's impressing me lately (he's been impressing me since his push for campaign finance reform).

[Osborn F Enready]

Bishop said: i have to say, feingold's impressing me lately

I say:
I have to agree.

I would still contend that Feingold, Mckinney, Paul are all that we have left working for "the people".

[bishop]

heh.. yeah, it's definitely a sad situation when you can count all the "good" members of congress on one hand.

while it's a bit premature right now, i'd be inclined to consider voting for feingold if he won the primaries.. i think his personality is one that looks for common-sense solutions to real problems, and he doesn't seem beholden to anyone but the public (particularly the middle class). the guy appeals to the moderate in me.

but i can say for certain that i can't think of ANY other candidate that i'm interested in as of now.. (nobody else has shown the sort of fearless leadership that i've seen in feingold.)

[Osborn F Enready]

Bishop said: while it's a bit premature right now, i'd be inclined to consider voting for feingold if he won the primaries..

I say:
I think the ONLY way I COULD vote for Feingold, is if the Democratic Party offered their "official" party nomination to him, and he said thanks for the nomination, but I am not a member of "your" democratic party anymore, I now work for the people.

I can't support anyone either major party supports again I don't think. They are clueless, and their consistent backing of failures shows it.

Bishop said: but i can say for certain that i can't think of ANY other candidate that i'm interested in as of now..

I say:
If I was a bi-partisan flip-flopper, I too would have to vote for the lesser evil Feingold.

I gave up on the major parties chance for success. I thin Feingold should too, and become a Lib. Maybe he could bring some people like You and Dan to the party?

[bishop]

heh.. it would definitely be funny (and refreshing) to see feingold give his party the finger and do his own thing.. but, if he wins in the primaries, i think he'll accept his party's worthless nomination for practical purposes.

feingold's far from a libertarian though.. (so too are myself and dan.) and, i can't see him going in that direction either. (the LP would have to compromise its platform if they wanted to widen its support base.) i used to like the reform party until buchanan stepped in and turned it into another bastion for christian fundamentalists.

on a side note, the thing that probably puzzles people about my moderate stance is how i can support people from both the left and right side of the political spectrum.. i don't get hung up on ideology.

[Osborn F Enready]

Bishop said: i don't get hung up on ideology.

I say:
I don't either Bishop.

I just get hung up on hypocrisy.

No man of honor expecting respect, could wear a Democrat or Republican badge and expect it.

Both parties should have their names as "alternatives" entered into the dictionary for the word hypocrisy, since they exhibit it at EVERY level in their parties.

[Osborn F Enready]

Bishop said: heh.. it would definitely be funny (and refreshing) to see feingold give his party the finger and do his own thing..

I say:
I think that is exactly what is needed in BOTH parties. Split the loyalists from the moderates, and hit the restart button.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Did anybody watch the coverage of the Censure hearing on C-Span?

I found these videos on Brad Blog
(these links are all Mindows Media Player. Go to Brad Blog for other formats)
Senator Feingold's Opening Statement

Patrick Leahy kicked ass.

Lindsey Graham shows everybody his ignorance of history regarding watergate

[Osborn F Enready]

C-Span has been, and will probably continue to replay it repeatedly.

There are two versions, one short version where they cut coverage after Feingolds initial statement, and then there is the full hearing.

I highly recommend watching for the full hearing. I taped it for further review.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Unfortunately I dont have cable or Sattellite.

I think CSPAN should go public like PBS.

I can think of no good reason, why what happens in DC should be privledged information.