Milosevic dies in jail

[tinybear]

Milosevic was poisoned.

"Milosevic's legal adviser showed reporters a letter that he said the former leader wrote the day before his death claiming traces of a powerful drug used to treat leprosy or tuberculosis had been found in his bloodstream.

Zdenko Tomanovic said Milosevic was seriously concerned. ``They would like to poison me,'' he quoted Milosevic as telling him.

A Dutch state broadcaster, NOS, said later that an adviser to the tribunal confirmed such a drug was found in a blood sample taken in recent months from Milosevic. The report said the adviser, who was not identified, said the drug could have had a ``neutralizing effect'' on Milosevic's other medications.

Doctors found traces of the drug when they were trying to determine why Milosevic's medication for high blood pressure was not working, the NOS report said. "

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...21.htm&sc=1103

[bishop]

that's one hell of a plot twist right there..

[rmnunez]

I'm astonished at the silence from the critical left which hasn't been remiss in denouncing the deaths of captives in Guantanamo. What, are Slobo's human rights less worthy?

[Sonart]

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Quote by: rmnunez I'm astonished at the silence from the critical left which hasn't been remiss in denouncing the deaths of captives in Guantanamo. What, are Slobo's human rights less worthy?

I think most of us were pretty sure Slobbo was guilty as charged, had access to a lawyer and due process, and wasn't subjected to torture.

Beyond that, I'm curious to find out what happened... if anything.

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[rmnunez]

Is evidence of due process a good guarantee against torture?

In June 1998, Slovko Dokmanovic, a former Serb officer, hanged himself with his tie from a wardrobe door. On 5 March this year, Milan Babic, a former leader of the Croatian Serbs, was found dead in his cell. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4801626.stm

Serbs seem more likely to die in Dutch captivity than ethnic Albanians.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: rmnuez Is evidence of due process a good guarantee against torture?

Switching heart disease medications is a pretty bizarre form of torture, don't you think? There's even a train of thought that Slobbo did it himself...

--"Among the scenarios being floated: Drugs smuggled into prison, a poisoning plot and the possibility Milosevic was undermining his own treatment in hopes of being sent to Moscow, where his wife and son live in exile."--

Beyond that, I'm unaware that he was being mistreated or denied his rights in any way. You're trying way too hard to come up with a Gotcha on the 'Critical Left', rm.

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[Scribbler1]

The first question which should be asked is was he guilty, and then was he guilty enough to be convicted. If so, where is the logic in killing him in his cell. Always look for any gain to be had and who stands to gain in that situation.
If you say the government or the court killed him then WHY would they do it? Right now all anyone has are theories about as proveable as if space aliens did it.

[rmnunez]

Maybe to avoid the embarrassement that was sure to follow Slobo's intended summons of US presidents and cabineteers, the united statians conspired and concocted a plot to rub him out.

[IAmRightAsUsual]

Quote by: Zeebadee Quote by: Mr.Vicchio This is why the international community can't do anything right. Look how long it took them to try and bring this guy to justice. Compare that with Saddam... he's ON trail RIGHT now. One can only hope that some day it will be bush and rumsfeld on trial.

...and I bet you "hoped" that Gore would win in 2000 and Kerry in 2004, eh? Doesn't seem to be doing the Bush haters much good so far. If you want something worthwhile to hope for ....hope that the terrorists don't strike us again....hope that our troops are allowed to get the job in Iraq done and hope that the Democrats finally come up with their own plan to help America instead to working so hard to hurt America and our leaders.

[bishop]

that's easier said than done - especially when the republican controlled congress controls the agenda with an iron-fist.. NOTHING gets voted on unless the republicans want to allow a vote, meaning that no democratic alternatives to big policy issues will ever be given a fair, up or down vote.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: rmnunez Maybe to avoid the embarrassement that was sure to follow Slobo's intended summons of US presidents and cabineteers, the united statians conspired and concocted a plot to rub him out.

Sorry, rm. Beat ya to it. See post #33.

Quote by: IAmRightAsUsual ...and I bet you "hoped" that Gore would win in 2000 and Kerry in 2004, eh? Doesn't seem to be doing the Bush haters much good so far.

That's your clever rebuttle? Gloating over past political victory, when the political reality is how much harm Bush has done to this country today.

We weren't born Bush-haters, we were made.

And considering the 8 solid years of VRWC scandal mongering to get Clinton, you have a lot of nerve trying to turn a well known term against the well justified criticism of Dear Leader.

Quote by: IAmRightAsUsual ...hope that our troops are allowed to get the job in Iraq done

Allowed? What exactly has been stopping them up until this point?

Quote by: IAmRightAsUsual ...and hope that the Democrats finally come up with their own plan to help America instead to working so hard to hurt America and our leaders.

Yeah, right. With the GOP's 'Hammers' whipping the troops in line in the House and Senate, exactly what could the Democrats even get brought up in committee, much less heard on the floor? The only thing hurting America at the moment is this arrogantly incompetent administration and their pork grubbing GOP congress.

There was an interesting soundbyte back in 2000, IARAU. "The Republicans should be careful what they wish for. Once they control Washington, they'll have to actually govern." So don't sit there and suggests Bush's problems are because the Democrats haven't come up with better ideas. Bush created his own trainwreck. Don't expect the powerless Democrats to somehow unwreck it.

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[Scribbler1]

Quote by: Sonart . We weren't born Bush-haters, we were made.

I nominate that for quote of the month.

[rmnunez]

I think most "Bush-haters" transfered their hatred of Bush Sr. to the incumbent, others among them also repudiate various Republican former presidents (Reagan in particular) and still even more of these self-described "Bush haters" feel revulsion for every US president. This notwithstanding the possibility there could be some "Bush haters" who regarded the object of their hatred objectively at some point, but then soured into hatred after whatever earth-shattering revelation.

[tinybear]

Hey, it turns out he poisoned himself. Well, he gambled and lost.

[tinybear]

Hey, it turns out he poisoned himself. Well, he gambled and lost.

[rmnunez]

tb got it right twice in a row, Slobo dangerously self-medicated to either foil mistaken fears of poisoning or to counteract prison-monitored medical attention, he messed up and since he couldn't tell the doctors in jail what he was taking, they didn't know what was going on. I suppose Slobo thought his heart condition resulted from poisoning.

[Sonart]

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Still astonished at the silence from the 'Critical Left', rm? Sounds more like the 'Critical Left' was patiently waiting for the facts to come out while the 'Critical Right' was making knee-jerk speculations.

But at least you announced the news yourself. A lesser poster wouldn't.

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[rmnunez]

Yes, I am still surprised over the silence from people who loudly denounce the united statian transgressions with prisoners. The indications Slobo may have poisoned himself may remove some suspicion from the EUers, but as long as the possibility remains the man was poisoned (as his lawyers say he thought he was), it seems there's enough to sustain calls upon international institutions concerned with human rights to look into this. If united statian military autopsies revealed all Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib deceased had perished from self-inflicted injuries, would a good critical lefty figure this must have been the case?

[bishop]

unlike many of the people at gitmo, many of whom have never been charged and could very well be completely innocent, milosevich was guilty as sin... he was the leader, and he waged genocidal war against the albanians several times. i don't need to see a technical trial to determine his guilt. who really gives a shit what happens to a scumbag like that? that's like saying that someone would care if saddam were to be assassinated..

you're definitely pushing one really retarded argument with this "critical lefty" bullshit.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: rmnunez Yes, I am still surprised over the silence from people who loudly denounce the united statian transgressions with prisoners.

Number one, rm, there's still no indication that Milosovic was tortured, mistreated, denied legal representation or wasn't recieving a fair trial based on due process. That canNOT be said about the foreign prisoners we're now holding.

And number two, "the United States transgression against prisoners" is about the standards to which we hold ourselves. We can tut-tut and denounce Saddam or China or Egypt or even the EU for how they treat their prisoners, but in the end it's their systems and really isn't something over which we have a great deal of control. How OUR government treats people, on the other hand, is absolutely our concern, and I would prefer that MY country would have the courage of our convictions rather than doing what's expedient because we're so afraid.

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