Muslim man runs down students at UNC

[Apeman81]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/3705038.html

"CHAPEL HILL, N.C. — A University of North Carolina graduate accused of running down nine people on campus told an emergency dispatcher he wanted to "punish the government of the United States for their actions around the world," according to a 911 recording released Monday."

So, we have a hate crime, as admitted by the perpetrator.

We have an act of terrorism, carried out on our soil.

SO why are we so quite about this?

Perhaps if he had stolen a tanker truck full of fuel, we may pay attention.

But then again, just how far away from that was this act? Are we lucky that this young man had small ambitions?

This should not be ignored

[Scribbler1]

It's not ignored, but I think it is rightfully being treated as just another example of an addle-brained nitwit trying to kill innocent people for reasons they had no connection to. The fact that this shithead is a muslim only adds to the popular belief that the entire religion is run by fanatics FOR fanatics.

Nice way to repay the US for the education he obviously wanted badly enough to have left his own country.

His own statements show he acts as a terrorist, so don't make a big deal of it. Just kill him and be done with it.

[zynner]

The most important aspect of this is what he said in an interview when asked why he did it.

"To retaliate for what the US has done to my people" was his answer.

That is also the reason that 9/11 happened. It is also the reason more terrorism will happen if we allow the US gov't to go around the world bullying other people.

The fact that nobody talks about the cause of terrorism is interesting. If people really wanted to end terrorism, rather than lash out at somebody (anybody), then it wouldn't be difficult. Bin Laden and the others all give the same reason for their actions. But nobody seems to want to listen.

Which means it will continue, since they now know they can do it, and since they perceive it as their only way to fight back.

~ zynner

[Scribbler1]

I'm betting if you pressed him on it he wouldn't really know just what was done to "his people" and who exactly did it. I figure if you DID get an answer it would be the same lines he heard some fanatic say on the news.

[rcne]

Spreading the will of Allah with a rented SUV - makes sense to me. Then there is the fourth grade educated Taliban spokesman who gets a student visa for Harvard - another example of OUR common sense.

[tinybear]

Quote by: Apeman81 http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/3705038.html "CHAPEL HILL, N.C. — A University of North Carolina graduate accused of running down nine people on campus told an emergency dispatcher he wanted to "punish the government of the United States for their actions around the world," according to a 911 recording released Monday." So, we have a hate crime, as admitted by the perpetrator. We have an act of terrorism, carried out on our soil. SO why are we so quite about this? Perhaps if he had stolen a tanker truck full of fuel, we may pay attention. But then again, just how far away from that was this act? Are we lucky that this young man had small ambitions? This should not be ignored

What do you expect us to do? Issue a bounty on the heads of all Muslim students in America? Start a riot? What?

[rmnunez]

I suspect the UNC "terrorist" was a normal person who saw things in the proper perspective until he came into contact with critical lefties who then filled his mind with ideas like that "his people" were somehow the victims of US action around the world.

[Jack]

Unless he suffered damage to his brain, I'd say he was never "normal". No reasonable, sensible person could be persuaded to kill for a philosophy unless they were addled already. His mind was fertile ground for the seed that was sown. Such behavior would be unthinkable to any mentally healthy person.

[Chris the Chees]

Quote by: Apeman81 http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/3705038.html "CHAPEL HILL, N.C. — A University of North Carolina graduate accused of running down nine people on campus told an emergency dispatcher he wanted to "punish the government of the United States for their actions around the world," according to a 911 recording released Monday." So, we have a hate crime, as admitted by the perpetrator. We have an act of terrorism, carried out on our soil. SO why are we so quite about this? Perhaps if he had stolen a tanker truck full of fuel, we may pay attention. But then again, just how far away from that was this act? Are we lucky that this young man had small ambitions? This should not be ignored

As opposed to Christian lunatics terrorists, Bosnia, England, Ireland, Germany, Spain, certainly should be ignoraned as US conservatives refuse to see anything wrong with their own religion.

[Osborn F Enready]

This isn't a terrorist attack, just ask Vicchio. It's only a terror attack if Bush says so, and Bush says we haven't had any since the Patriot Act, so this guy must by lying.

[RickSp]

A disturbed individual with no known ties to terrorist organizations runs down nine, resulting in only minor injuries and Ape goes ballistic because the driver is a Muslim. So what else is new? There is not a lot here to discuss.

[Osborn F Enready]

RickSP said: A disturbed individual with no known ties to terrorist organizations runs down nine, resulting in only minor injuries and Ape goes ballistic because the driver is a Muslim. So what else is new? There is not a lot here to discuss.

I say:
Wait Rick, I am confused.

1)One day they (they government) are telling me that the terrorists are a huge "underground" organization of "terror ties" that works like an octopuss reaching out to strike when least expected. One of the reasons for the Patriot Act was to "track these trails" more easily, and allow government to isolate and attack or capture these "tied entities".

2)The next day they (the government) are telling me that the terrorists are a large number of isolated cells, that only communicate in person and don't speak about things until action is imminent since the plans are all long ago set in motion and each person plays a small role in a big picture.


So, what is the definition of a terrorist is what I ask? Is it a person such as this in scenario 2, as the thread is about, that acts out in a manner such as this with no ties or documented plan that results in injuries to innocent lives? Or is it as in scenario 1, where the person must have proven ties to other known terrorists and be proven to have been working within that ring of power? What scenario applies to the 9-11 hijackers, and why??

I am not being a smart-ass here, I am trying to make sense of what story they expect people to believe using some type of logic. It seems as though they want you to believe whatever they say, and shelf logic for personal use only since little of it fits together in a logical manner as they present it.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I say: I am not being a smart-ass here, I am trying to make sense of what story they expect people to believe using some type of logic. It seems as though they want you to believe whatever they say, and shelf logic for personal use only since little of it fits together in a logical manner as they present it.

Logic? No one is using logic, whether it is Bushbots justifying torture, endless war and police state snooping or the rest of the politicos demogoging over anything that they can use to scare people - like doing business with the dirty stinking Ayerabs. What does logic have to do with any of it it? Hysteria and bigotry are what works. Who cares about logic?

[Apeman81]

Quote by: RickSp A disturbed individual with no known ties to terrorist organizations runs down nine, resulting in only minor injuries and Ape goes ballistic because the driver is a Muslim. So what else is new? There is not a lot here to discuss.

Was his intent to only inflict minor injuries? You would pay more attention if he had killed people?
Therefore, those who do not kill us, no matter what their desires area, can be ignored?
Interesting.

And if our unimaginative friend had the forethought use a more impressive weapon, would he garner your attention? Is it your desire to drive up the level of violence required tp be heeded?

The fact is if this driver had stated his reason for the attack as his desire to avenge his "christian brethren" or to kill those who he feels "support homosexuality", this story would have more noteriety. And that is a telling indication of where our priorites are in a time of danger from terrorist attack.

Perhaps, on a personal note, you can define "ballistic" and explain how I attained that level.

[dotcoma]

Quote by: Apeman81 http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/3705038.html "CHAPEL HILL, N.C. — A University of North Carolina graduate accused of running down nine people on campus told an emergency dispatcher he wanted to "punish the government of the United States for their actions around the world," according to a 911 recording released Monday." So, we have a hate crime, as admitted by the perpetrator. We have an act of terrorism, carried out on our soil. SO why are we so quite about this? Perhaps if he had stolen a tanker truck full of fuel, we may pay attention. But then again, just how far away from that was this act? Are we lucky that this young man had small ambitions? This should not be ignored

So you of course also support considering crimes based on sexual orientation to be hate crimes too rgiht? Like when they killed that kid for being gay by hanging him on a fence? The Republicans struck down Clinton's attempt to consider such things hate crimes.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: dotcoma So you of course also support considering crimes based on sexual orientation to be hate crimes too rgiht? Like when they killed that kid for being gay by hanging him on a fence? The Republicans struck down Clinton's attempt to consider such things hate crimes.

Actually, I think the term "hate crime" is a vague, and frankly foolish attempt by some to try to demonstrate how much they "care" about certain victims of crime. Very patronizing.

Am I more or less injured when struck by a basball bat wielding maniac if it was done becuase I am:
a) white
b) tall
c) overweight
d) Dark haired
e) Who freakin' cares, my arm is still broken

But the idea of such laws exist, and should be applied universally.

The killers you cite should be treated as murderers; tried, and if found guilty, punished. No more or less than if they had killed him because they didn't like his belt buckle.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Apeman81 Actually, I think the term "hate crime" is a vague, and frankly foolish attempt by some to try to demonstrate how much they "care" about certain victims of crime. Very patronizing.

Yes. I'd call this a case of murder. If people wanted to, they could attach the word hate to any crime. It doesn't really mean much.

Grandpa h.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Apeman81 Was his intent to only inflict minor injuries? You would pay more attention if he had killed people? Therefore, those who do not kill us, no matter what their desires area, can be ignored? Interesting. And if our unimaginative friend had the forethought use a more impressive weapon, would he garner your attention? Is it your desire to drive up the level of violence required tp be heeded? The fact is if this driver had stated his reason for the attack as his desire to avenge his "christian brethren" or to kill those who he feels "support homosexuality", this story would have more noteriety. And that is a telling indication of where our priorites are in a time of danger from terrorist attack. Perhaps, on a personal note, you can define "ballistic" and explain how I attained that level.

I am grateful that this particular fool didn't seriously hurt anyone. That is how I judge the incident. Nothing more or less. I am more concerned about the act that the guy's motivation or your pointless speculations.

Ape, your complaining about your pet outrages gets boring. Always "if this" or "if that". If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. If the facts were different, my reaction would be different. Duh.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: RickSp I am grateful that this particular fool didn't seriously hurt anyone. That is how I judge the incident. Nothing more or less. I am more concerned about the act that the guy's motivation or your pointless speculations. Ape, your complaining about your pet outrages gets boring. Always "if this" or "if that". If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. If the facts were different, my reaction would be different. Duh.

Then don't read them. This board is full of "pet outrages" including some of your own.

Unable to defend your "ballistic" ad hom? Perhaps you should refrain from making them.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Apeman81 Unable to defend your "ballistic" ad hom? Perhaps you should refrain from making them.

Unable? It seems completely unnecessary. Your post, which attempts to stir up outrage over a not terribly important incident, speaks for itself.

"A hate crime".... "An act of terrorism, carried out on our soil. ".... "why are we so quite [sic] about this? "This should not be ignored".

You don't like "ballistic"? Perhaps "overwrought" might be a better characterization?

People are dying in King George's war. Prisoners are lockup without charges in Gitmo and Baghram and subject to torture and abuse. And the Bush administration is using the Constitution for toilet paper. I can't get too terribly upset over a fool who fortunately didn't manage to hurt anyone seriously. I wish the same could be said about the actions of our mad king.