More Torture Than Under Saddam???

[Osborn F Enready]

I dont support it RMunez. Period.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I dont support it RMunez. Period.

Some people just don't understand.

Grandpa h.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: rmnunez I wouldn't be so certain, Osborn; the "for the greater good" (or to avoid a worse harm) justification for torture requires certainty over the imminence of a terrorist attack of which the torture victim has knowledge. The requirement of certainty the torture will produce results is another matter which relates to the technique used and features of the victim.

As I said on another thread, rm, it's about having the courage of your own convictions. Either we let fear turn us into what we despise, or find the strength to stand by the values we espouse.

How oddly shameful that an administration that claims 'Christian values' for itself gives in to fear, yet this atheist refuses to. Besides, I've heard again and again that torture really doesn't work anyway.

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[samsara15]

As a nation, we seem to try our best to disgrace ourselves in every way possible. This administration has helped us reach new lows. How embarassed can we be? Some people, not at all.

[rmnunez]

Amusing:

In the summer of 2004, a group of former detainees of Abu Ghraib prison filed a lawsuit claiming that they had been the victims of the abuse captured in photographs that incited outrage around the world. One, Ali Shalal Qaissi, soon emerged as their chief representative, appearing in publications and on television in several countries to detail his suffering. His prominence made sense, because he claimed to be the man in the photograph that had become the international icon of the Abu Ghraib scandal: standing on a cardboard box, hooded, with wires attached to his outstretched arms. He had even emblazoned the silhouette of that image on business cards. The trouble was, the man in the photograph was not Mr. Qaissi. Military investigators had identified the man on the box as a different detainee who had described the episode in a sworn statement immediately after the photographs were discovered in January 2004, but then the man seemed to go silent. Mr. Qaissi had energetically filled the void, traveling abroad with slide shows to argue that abuse in Iraq continued, as head of a group he called the Association of Victims of American Occupation Prisons. The New York Times profiled him last Saturday in a front-page article; in it, Mr. Qaissi insisted he had never sought the fame of his iconic status. Mr. Qaissi had been interviewed on a number of earlier occasions, including by PBS's "Now," Vanity Fair, Der Spiegel and in the Italian news media as the man on the box. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/18/in...gewanted=print

I'm sure Mr. Qaissi suffered nonetheless and should be compensated anyway, where is "the man on the box" now? We ought to know whether he successfully reintegrated as a productive member of society or rejoined his comrades. Mr. Qaissi seems to not have reverted back to terrorism (unless his Association has ties).