Churches celebrate Darwin`s birthday

[tusaki]

Churches say 'amen' for Darwin's theory
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...arwins_theory/
February 12, 2006

NEW YORK -- Nearly 450 Christian churches around the country plan to celebrate the 197th birthday of Charles Darwin today with programs and sermons intended to emphasize that his theory of biological evolution is compatible with faith and that Christians have no need to choose between religion and science. ...

There is no incompatibility, and this is recognized by more and more churches.

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: tusaki Churches say 'amen' for Darwin's theory http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...arwins_theory/ February 12, 2006 There is no incompatibility, and this is recognized by more and more churches.

they really will be in the flak zone in Christianity's section.

[RickSp]

Just goes to show that not all, indeed the majority of Christians, are not Baptist literalist Ludites.

Here is "An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science" signed by over 10,000 members of the clergy.

Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook. Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible – the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark – convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts. We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.

[Matt W]

they really will be in the flak zone in Christianity's section

What, like the Catholic church? :rolleyes:

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: RickSp Just goes to show that not all, indeed the majority of Christians, are not Baptist literalist Ludites. Here is "An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science" signed by over 10,000 members of the clergy.

the Bible never said that the majority would always be in the right.

[Osborn F Enready]

Did the bible say anything about finding god under the orders of a repressive system?

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Did the bible say anything about finding god under the orders of a repressive system?

actually, yes:
Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. no man cometh unto the Father BUT BY ME."

heheh

[Osborn F Enready]

So how is that advocating that a government should rule against the will of its own, to FORCE them to find God?

This is tripe!

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready So how is that advocating that a government should rule against the will of its own, to FORCE them to find God? This is tripe!

whoa whoa whoa horsie. where in the hell did that come from?

[RickSp]

Quote by: dthmstr254 the Bible never said that the majority would always be in the right.

So you are willing to admit that you belong to a minority cult. You just claim that you are right and the rest of the Christian world is wrong. Interesting.

[Osborn F Enready]

DthMstr said: whoa whoa whoa horsie. where in the hell did that come from?

I say:
The fact, that you and many religious zealots are attempting to enter religion into law. The ban on gay marriage through constitutional amendment ring a bell? Anti-Abortion Laws? Stem cell research?

Your loyalties have been observed in many threads.

Religious is personal, aka, man with himself. Laws are for governments and societies, and religion has no business being in law. When a person says a government should have laws to promote or prevent something, based on relgion or its preachings alone, they are restricting individual liberty through the threat, and use of force, to MAKE people comply with a belief. That is absurd.

The only common ground we all share is that we are human, and we are all individuals. The Supermajority decides on things like what constitutes murder, and they do it in REFLECTION OF rights of the individual. Our government in this nations holds its seats ONLY to protect the Constitution by not allowing laws to be passed that contradict it, and to try to meet the needs of the people when applicable WITHIN the boundaries of individual rights, and the limits of government based on the Constitution.

Silly.

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I say: The fact, that you and many religious zealots are attempting to enter religion into law. The ban on gay marriage through constitutional amendment ring a bell? Anti-Abortion Laws? Stem cell research? Your loyalties have been observed in many threads. Religious is personal, aka, man with himself. Laws are for governments and societies, and religion has no business being in law. When a person says a government should have laws to promote or prevent something, based on relgion or its preachings alone, they are restricting individual liberty through the threat, and use of force, to MAKE people comply with a belief. That is absurd. The only common ground we all share is that we are human, and we are all individuals. The Supermajority decides on things like what constitutes murder, and they do it in REFLECTION OF rights of the individual. Our government in this nations holds its seats ONLY to protect the Constitution by not allowing laws to be passed that contradict it, and to try to meet the needs of the people when applicable WITHIN the boundaries of individual rights, and the limits of government based on the Constitution. Silly.

but when the law starts fighting against you, you start fighting it, whether through legal procedures, or through defection. I would rather stick around this country, so I will go for the legal procedures. technically, no school is constitutionally allowed to confiscate a person's religious material (aka Bible), because it is not the school's property, and all students have the right to their own property.

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: RickSp So you are willing to admit that you belong to a minority cult. You just claim that you are right and the rest of the Christian world is wrong. Interesting.

cult is not the word, my misguided friend. The Bible is the final marker for Christian beliefs, and any Christian belief that doesn't uphold them is not truly Christian.

[Osborn F Enready]

DthMstr said: but when the law starts fighting against you, you start fighting it, whether through legal procedures, or through defection. I would rather stick around this country, so I will go for the legal procedures.

I say:
If this current system was "legal", that would be acceptable. However, this current system is'nt even defineable by the Constitution they claim is the backbone of the laws in our society.

If you wish to attempt to subvert rights through law, seek away. Just understand that when law gives way to individualism, as it always does, individualists generally take self defense pretty seriously and are a better shot as a rule than pacifist bible,quaran, or (insert mantra tectbook here) thumper. No religion will achieve a super-majority in this nation under a Constitutional abiding system.

DthMstr said: technically, no school is constitutionally allowed to confiscate a person's religious material (aka Bible), because it is not the school's property, and all students have the right to their own property.

I say:
That is only until a group of religious zealots decide property is a bad thing for the church....errr.... I mean their government...... LOL

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I say: If this current system was "legal", that would be acceptable. However, this current system is'nt even defineable by the Constitution they claim is the backbone of the laws in our society. If you wish to attempt to subvert rights through law, seek away. Just understand that when law gives way to individualism, as it always does, individualists generally take self defense pretty seriously and are a better shot as a rule than pacifist bible,quaran, or (insert mantra tectbook here) thumper. No religion will achieve a super-majority in this nation under a Constitutional abiding system. I say: That is only until a group of religious zealots decide property is a bad thing for the church....errr.... I mean their government...... LOL

oh, you really wouldn't want to try to hunt me down. I ain't half bad in what I know how to do. you want to take me on, come on down.

also, it was your zealots who are deciding that the Bible is bad for your country. the morals scare you.

[RickSp]

Quote by: dthmstr254 cult is not the word, my misguided friend. The Bible is the final marker for Christian beliefs, and any Christian belief that doesn't uphold them is not truly Christian.

So you are suggesting that the majority of all those who call themselves Christian are not because they fail to meet your narrow literalist standards? And yet you object to the word "cult"? Odd.

[Rainbow]

Nearly 450 Christian churches around the country plan to celebrate the 197th birthday of Charles Darwin today with programs and sermons intended to emphasize that his theory of biological evolution is compatible with faith and that Christians have no need to choose between religion and science. ...

One needs to distinguish theology from technology and science.
Darwin's theory has neither impact on my religion nor my faith.
Whether churches want to celebrate Darwin's birthday, that their choice, option, ect.
That event would carry "zero" influence on me.

"God is dead" - Nietzsche.
"Nietzsche is dead" - God.

[Osborn F Enready]

Rainbow said:
One needs to distinguish theology from technology and science.
Darwin's theory has neither impact on my religion nor my faith.
Whether churches want to celebrate Darwin's birthday, that their choice, option, ect.
That event would carry "zero" influence on me.

"God is dead" - Nietzsche.
"Nietzsche is dead" - God.

I say:
Word.

[Clarence]

Christains that go to a church that's involved with a network of churches will have a certain capacity for group think. Like at christmas when everyone thought that christianity was under attack. I beleive in the peaceful jesus. It's a rare denomination. I'll bet it has about...450, or so, churches. Christains are not under attack by good people. Bad people are disguising themselves as christians or muslims. Turns out that being good does not make one passive. Oz? Deathmaster? heh.

Quote by: Rainbow "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

So because Nietzsche died that means god is back alive or something? Who is that anyway? I mean, I think I've heard of him. Sounds Russian or something. Religious folks have gotten a little too huffy for my peaceful tastes, of late.

Last thing. Why does evolution cancel out the possibility of there being a god? Why would evolution mean that there was no great man, named Jesus, who changed civilization with peaceful ideas? If there's a single mind in control of life and death, wouldn't we all be his children? These cults are huge, and there's at least two kinds. One's claiming to be christain, and one's claiming to be muslim. They're both militant. Only one has shown itself to be suicidal so far, as far as I know. I'm concerned about the easily predictable series of escalations between the two. I think there's people working for both. Bent on destruction for God knows why and provoking everyone for reasons I know not.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Clarence So because Nietzsche died that means god is back alive or something? Who is that anyway? I mean, I think I've heard of him. Sounds Russian or something. Religious folks have gotten a little too huffy for my peaceful tastes, of late. Last thing. Why does evolution cancel out the possibility of there being a god? Why would evolution mean that there was no great man, named Jesus, who changed civilization with peaceful ideas? If there's a single mind in control of life and death, wouldn't we all be his children? These cults are huge, and there's at least two kinds. One's claiming to be christain, and one's claiming to be muslim. They're both militant. Only one has shown itself to be suicidal so far, as far as I know. I'm concerned about the easily predictable series of escalations between the two. I think there's people working for both. Bent on destruction for God knows why and provoking everyone for reasons I know not.

Nietzsche is dead. That is the fact.

Off Topic
You believe in God ?
That is fine with me.
You do not believe in God ?
That is fine with me.

I am fully aware that Darwin presented a concept for Mankind evolution. That is his business along with his findings. Unfortunatelly, science and technology can not confirm his findings, except for some assumptions, guesses, ect.
Darwin's theory is nothing, but theory.