Cheney Accidentally Shoots Fellow Hunter

[gr8fuldaniel]

This is from a well sourced article in Attytood

Cheney's "long list of medications": What did he take, and when did he take it? Dick Cheney takes a lot of drugs. That's no joke. That's what his own doctors said back in 2000, when Cheney re-entered the national arena to run for vice president. This is from a letter that that the Bush-Cheney campaign released on July 26 2000, from doctors at the George Washington University Medical Center: Medications: Mr. Cheney takes a long list of medications which are monitored closely by myself and Dr. Reiner. He has shown no side effects of any of these medications which would alter intellectual performance or impair his judgment. <snip> Because there's a chance that even one beer would be bad for a man with Cheney's health history. Two of the most common types of treatments for heart-attack patients, ACE inhibitors and beta blockers, can cause dizziness, drowsiness, blurred vision and impaired judgment in a patient that also drinks alcohol. And now we know Cheney had a beer <snip> 1. ACE inhibitor such as lisinopril (Zestril): Use caution when driving, operating machinery, or performing other hazardous activities. Lisinopril may cause dizziness or drowsiness. If you experience dizziness or drowsiness, avoid these activities and notify your doctor. Also use caution when rising from a sitting or lying position Use alcohol cautiously. Alcohol may increase drowsiness and dizziness while you are taking lisinopril. Alcohol may further lower blood pressure and increase drowsiness and dizziness when you are taking lisinopril. . 2. Beta-blocker such as atenolol (Tenormin): Atenolol may cause drowsiness, dizziness, lightheadedness, or blurred vision. Alcohol may intensify these effects and increase the risk of accidental injury. To prevent problems, people taking atenolol should avoid alcohol.

[another day]

What are you trying to prove here? It's ridiculous!!

[gr8fuldaniel]

Criminal negligence and a coverup. You know, business as usual for these gangster punks.

edit to add:

Noun 1. criminal negligence - (law) recklessly acting without reasonable caution and putting another person at risk of injury or death

[Compugasm]

Cheney: Quail season.
Quail: Lawyer season.
Cheney: Quail season.
Quail: Lawyer season.
Cheney: Quail season.
Quail: Quail season.
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[Scribbler1]

Quote by: another day Why the hell do you keep calling him "blofeld"?

Blofeld is the arch enemy of James Bond. An international criminal who is ruthless, calculating and has an overstated air of calm about him. And, when played by Donald Pleasence is also bald. He is the baddest of the bad and when I see Cheney I always think of him.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel You brought it up. You asked me if he had any history. So I found that. The way they scrub records dont expect much more than that. You said "Is there anything about him having a drinking problem?"

I did ask, but I don't agree that a DUI equals a drinking "problem". If they stationed cops in the parking lots of bars they would catch thousands of regular Joes everyday technically under the influence.

Speaking from my own experience, I have driven over a thousand times drunk on my ass. But, I have only been charged with 5 DUIs. Apply that math to a fat cat politician.

Yes, but this is speculation. I think there is enough about him that is factual to support an opinion about him without speculating. I didn't like him before I heard he ever drank a drop.

[brien]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel you confirm intoxication of those who get away with it?Its NOT only that. The secrecy involved, including the postponement of interview SCREAM it. If somebody hits a car while drunk, they would want to sober up before talking to the cops. Just the way it is. That is why you have so many hit and runs. I am sure there are statistics out there but they cannot be completely accurate because many who flee the scene of a crime dont have the same luxury as the Veep. Also, how do I dont know about you, but this little "No Comment" speaks volumes to me: They are doing more to prove their guilt, than their innocence. We should also consider Cheneys OWN ADMISSION that he WAS DRINKING. Ever hear of a person UNDERESTIMATING how many drinks they have had?

Dan:

You wrote: [quote=gr8fuldaniel] you confirm intoxication of those who get away with it?Its NOT only that. The secrecy involved, including the postponement of interview SCREAM it. If somebody hits a car while drunk, they would want to sober up before talking to the cops. Just the way it is. That is why you have so many hit and runs. I am sure there are statistics out there but they cannot be completely accurate because many who flee the scene of a crime dont have the same luxury as the Veep. Also, how do.......

I dont know about you, but this little "No Comment" speaks volumes to me: They are doing more to prove their guilt, than their innocence.

We should also consider Cheneys OWN ADMISSION that he WAS DRINKING. Ever hear of a person UNDERESTIMATING how many drinks they have had?[/

I write: The above sounds like you could be describing ol Teddy boy's behavior at Chappaquiddick. And in his case, someone DID DIE as a result of the LIE. So this mantra I keep hearing gets a little old, particularly when it can be applied to both sides of the aisle.

I think you, perhaps could be a little overboard, about this. I am certain everyone appreciates your zeal to bring to light any wrong doing or illegal actions upon behalf of Cheney. But you should then at least balance your outrage with the instances of the same nature that have occured in the past on BOTH sides of the aisle. Otherwise, your credibility is tainted by the prejudice of the current media attention away from people who have done the same exact thing as the VP, and even worse.

So what this really boils down to is that politicians from BOTH parties have done the very same thing Cheney has done here. It is business as usual and they all get away with their shennigans because they are the power elite. I am used to it, but will never approve of it.

[Athena]

Cheney can not be presecuted for anything and here is why:

OLC: A Sitting President's Amenability to Indictment and Criminal ...A Sitting President's Amenability to Indictment and Criminal Prosecution*. The indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would ... www.usdoj.gov/olc/sitting_president.htm - 143k - Cached - Similar pages

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: brien But you should then at least balance your outrage with the instances of the same nature that have occured in the past on BOTH sides of the aisle.

Are you talking about me being responsible for making a list of every crime ever committed by every politician in each of my posts?

Besides, Ted did have a trial and was sentenced. And he DID have a grand jury hearing. He pled guilty of leaving the site of an accident. I am asking for the same justice for Cheney. We also have some corrupt cops that were turned away at the gates. That cop should be tried, maybe even as an accomplice, at least for deriliction of duty. Somebody has been shot and the cops are forbidden entry to the crime scene? I dont remember Ted Kennedy obstructing the crime scene. He just left. But he left to get help!!!

wiki Kennedy entered a plea of guilty to a charge of leaving the scene of an accident after causing injury. He received a sentence of two months in jail, which was suspended. An Edgartown grand jury later reopened the investigation but did not return an indictment.

So where are the Republicans demanding the head of Cheney, like they were for Kennedy? They are the hypocrites.

Quote by: brien I write: The above sounds like you could be describing ol Teddy boy's behavior at Chappaquiddick. And in his case, someone DID DIE as a result of the LIE. So this mantra I keep hearing gets a little old, particularly when it can be applied to both sides of the aisle.

Cheneys victim hasnt died yet, but he very well could. He could have lived another 20 years before this, now he may not last 20 days. I understand he was a very robust, healthy man even at 78.

Whether or not Mr Whittington dies we owe him an investigation into the negligence that damaged or ended his life.
Too many people are willing to overlook the indescretions and crimes of celebrity. I believe principles should ALWAYS precede personalities. I am not starstruck and the goddamn cops shouldnt be either.

Quote by: Athena Cheney can not be presecuted for anything and here is why:

The indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would unconstitutionally undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions.

Should Cheney be obligated to prove he had even the slightest interest in performing his constitutionally assigned functions, to begin with? These idiots have shown nothing but contempt for the Constitution.

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: Athena Cheney can not be presecuted for anything and here is why:

From your source:

"The OLC memorandum concluded that all federal civil officers except the President are subject to indictment and criminal prosecution while still in office; the President is uniquely immune from such process."

While it's generally known that bush is cheney's puppet, cheney isn't the president (yet).

[brien]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Are you talking about me being responsible for making a list of every crime ever committed by every politician in each of my posts? Besides, Ted did have a trial and was sentenced. And he DID have a grand jury hearing. He pled guilty of leaving the site of an accident. I am asking for the same justice for Cheney. We also have some corrupt cops that were turned away at the gates. That cop should be tried, maybe even as an accomplice, at least for deriliction of duty. Somebody has been shot and the cops are forbidden entry to the crime scene? I dont remember Ted Kennedy obstructing the crime scene. He just left. But he left to get help!!! So where are the Republicans demanding the head of Cheney, like they were for Kennedy? They are the hypocrites. Cheneys victim hasnt died yet, but he very well could. He could have lived another 20 years before this, now he may not last 20 days. I understand he was a very robust, healthy man even at 78. Whether or not Mr Whittington dies we owe him an investigation into the negligence that damaged or ended his life. Too many people are willing to overlook the indescretions and crimes of celebrity. I believe principles should ALWAYS precede personalities. I am not starstruck and the goddamn cops shouldnt be either. Should Cheney be obligated to prove he had even the slightest interest in performing his constitutionally assigned functions, to begin with? These idiots have shown nothing but contempt for the Constitution.

No, Dan I don't expect you to list every crooked politican's antics that we all witness on a regular basis. But I would point out that he, Cheney, is not unique in his behavior. All I am saying is that this incident is less than stellar when compared to others in the past committed by other politicians. This, one can't deny.

Btw, Teddy boy didn't leave to get help. That story is a myth. He left and went back to his hotel room by swimming across the channel and not reappearing until 8am the next morning. Then he went back to the cottage and sought the advice and counsel of his attorney. He didn't make a statement until later that morning. The car and the body of Mary Jo weren't pulled from the channel until later in the day. But we aren't here to rehash Kennedy's illegal actions. I just wanted to make the obvious distinction(s) in my previous post.

I agree in full investigations but we have never got them before with crooked sidestepping politicians, so what makes you think we will get them now?

My main point is that all of the politicians we are talking about are hypocrites. You can paint the Republicans with the hyprocritical brush, but you can't deny what is sauce for the goose here, is also sauce for the gander in many instances involving the Dems as well. Both parties contain hypocrites that can be painted with the same crooked sidestepping legal brush. So, everything you write about this Cheney affair, also applies to other politicians that have found themselves caught up in legal problems before him. And vice versa.

I don't disagree with some of the cogent points you make with regard to the Veep. I am merely pointing out additional facts concerning other politicians, not to detract from your argument, but merely as an addendum of information to your post. These politicians exemplify a pattern that is neither unique , nor is it probably going to cease, anytime in the near future.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Scribbler Yes, but this is speculation. I think there is enough about him that is factual to support an opinion about him without speculating. I didn't like him before I heard he ever drank a drop.

OK, but anytime you have conflicting and everchanging stories about the drinking that was going on, mixed with guns and people getting shot in the face and the illegal poaching and avoiding the cops (dont they call them FUGITIVES?)
When the drinking accounts are SCRUBBED from a "Credible" news source like

.....whose partners include NBC News, Newsweek, the Washington Post, the Associated Press and Reuters.


The drunk guy who is on the lam has more to gain from avoiding authority than facing it.
At least until the next day.
If the citizenry are willing to overlook the drunken negligence and just write it off as a mere "peppering" accident that happens "everyday" all the better for the drunk. He will be free to "season" more innocent bystanders another day. And then go eat dinner instead of sitting by his friends side in the hospital. And while eating dinner have the cops sent away because dead-eye Dick is too important to bother with technicalities like explaining the pre-emptive shooting of another.

He didnt go to the hospital because they could tell he was drunk. They would ask for a blood sample!

A legitimate soul who valued human life would order his entourage to get him to that hospital, post haste. But then, we have to remember WHO we are talking about

The more elements we put together, the more it looks like he had to sleep it off

[PatrickHenry]

I think Cheney did have just one beer last Saturday.
I had a picture here somewhere...

[brien]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel OK, but anytime you have conflicting and everchanging stories about the drinking that was going on, mixed with guns and people getting shot in the face and the illegal poaching and avoiding the cops (dont they call them FUGITIVES?) When the drinking accounts are SCRUBBED from a "Credible" news source like .....whose partners include NBC News, Newsweek, the Washington Post, the Associated Press and Reuters. The drunk guy who is on the lam has more to gain from avoiding authority than facing it. At least until the next day. If the citizenry are willing to overlook the drunken negligence and just write it off as a mere "peppering" accident that happens "everyday" all the better for the drunk. He will be free to "season" more innocent bystanders another day. And then go eat dinner instead of sitting by his friends side in the hospital. And while eating dinner have the cops sent away because dead-eye Dick is too important to bother with technicalities like explaining the pre-emptive shooting of another. He didnt go to the hospital because they could tell he was drunk. They would ask for a blood sample! A legitimate soul who valued human life would order his entourage to get him to that hospital, post haste. But then, we have to remember WHO we are talking about The more elements we put together, the more it looks like he had to sleep it off

So the question you have to ask Dan is: Why would all of your "credible" new sources scrub the report of inoxication? Could it be because the reports were unfounded? Not credible for a "credible" news organization. The news people couldn't verify the reports so they were responsibile in NOT reporting speculation, hearsay, or conjecture that may be based upon innacurate information? This is as credible as assuming the Veep was drunk and it was covered up. So the responsible news organizations you cite chose NOT to print what is probably not true.

All of the questions you ask, and then speculate upon possible answers to cast the worst possible light upon this unfortunate situation, may have some merit, but lacking corroborating evidence, can't be used against him. Do you think that the SS officers, medical professionals, and friends he had with him, are going to testify against him?

I think this "drunken shooter" theory is one you are going to have to let go of for lack of evidence. The best you can seem to do here is to come up with circumstantial evidence based upon hearsay and speculation.

I may be wrong but aren't SS agents sworn officers of the law? So I don't see how he was avoiding the officers of the law. They were with him at the time of the incident.

And now it has been announced by the Sheriff's Department that no criminal charges will be filed in the matter. Perhaps it is time to move on?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: PatrickHenry I think Cheney did have just one beer last Saturday. I had a picture here somewhere...

Ha! Thats some nasty shit!!
I fixed the pic a bit:

One Beer

Quote by: brien I may be wrong but aren't SS agents sworn officers of the law? So I don't see how he was avoiding the officers of the law. They were with him at the time of the incident.

Who lied to the Game Warden? About the alcohol?

[brien]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Ha! Thats some nasty shit!! I fixed the pic a bit: One Beer Who lied to the Game Warden? About the alcohol?

There was absolutely no evidence of drunkeness. If the press smelled a rat, and had one shred of evidence, they would have nailed Cheney to the cross. Let's not manufacture something that doesn't exist. A clossal waste of time, imo. It doesn't make a bit of difference. It's over. Maybe you will get him the next time.

[lsbskins1]

I'm all down with news organizations not reporting as fact what they do not know to be fact, but they are also investigatory agencies and need to ask questions to try and flush out the truth. So, why not lets have some reporters ask some of these questions of the relevant actors in this whole situation.

How often do sherriff's departments allow someone on scene at a shooting incident to determine if the shooting was, in fact, an accident?

How often do any law enforcement agencies allow a member of the "posse" of the shooter in an incident to determine if alchohol was a "factor"?

If Dick Chenney employs a press secretary, why did it matter what Chenney's attention was focused on in the hours after the accident? Why DID it take so long for the incident to be reported?

If the reason the incident was released through a local outlet was in the interest of "accuracy", why has the VP's office not fired every member of his communications staff? Does he really have to worry that his press releases are not reprinted word for word?

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Ha! Thats some nasty shit!! I fixed the pic a bit: One Beer Who lied to the Game Warden? About the alcohol?

Jesus man, you broke his NECK! Nobody turns his head like that unless his neck's broke.

[gr8fuldaniel]

King Cobra does that on the second 40

[brien]

Quote by: lsbskins1 I'm all down with news organizations not reporting as fact what they do not know to be fact, but they are also investigatory agencies and need to ask questions to try and flush out the truth. So, why not lets have some reporters ask some of these questions of the relevant actors in this whole situation. How often do sherriff's departments allow someone on scene at a shooting incident to determine if the shooting was, in fact, an accident? How often do any law enforcement agencies allow a member of the "posse" of the shooter in an incident to determine if alchohol was a "factor"? If Dick Chenney employs a press secretary, why did it matter what Chenney's attention was focused on in the hours after the accident? Why DID it take so long for the incident to be reported? If the reason the incident was released through a local outlet was in the interest of "accuracy", why has the VP's office not fired every member of his communications staff? Does he really have to worry that his press releases are not reprinted word for word?

No one is denying the reporters any investigating inquisitions whatsoever. I was perhaps offering a reason why they didn't publish what Dan termed as "scrubbed" from the news reports. Usually responsible reporters verify their sources before going to print. No verification makes them little better in credibility than the National Enquirer. I suspect they couldn't verify the drunkeness theory.

As far as the law enforcement investigations, the case is now closed. If there were cover ups, I say it is nothing new because other politicians in the past have gotten away with this type of behavior as well. So I am not surprised that it business as usual.