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Samildanach · Jan 31, 2006, 10:03 am

Any move to involve the UN Security Council in the row over Iran's nuclear programme would mean the end of diplomacy, a top Iranian official says.
The warning, issued by chief Iranian nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani, follows an agreement by key powers to report Tehran to the council.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4665086.stm

Samildanach · Jan 31, 2006, 10:04 am

The bit I found really funny was this.

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US President George W Bush, previewing his State of the Union speech to be delivered on Tuesday, said he would have separate messages for the Iranian people and their government.

"And in speaking to the people, my message is this: 'You know, we're not going to tell you how to live your life, but we would like you to be free'," he said.

Hamas was freely elected as far as I could see...more freely elected say than he was.

rmnunez · Jan 31, 2006, 07:33 pm

The Iranian standoff presents a problem, if they foreclose any diplomacy in the event the UN is involved then all that's left to keep them from developing nuclear weapons is sanctions or military intervention. I'd expect the UN would endorse sanctions, but unless these are unusually effective all they do is delay the military option.

Scribbler1 · Jan 31, 2006, 07:49 pm

Now THIS is the perfect opportunity to do what we used to do well, lead a large group of nations in showing Iran the world doesn't want them to have nuclear weapons, especially in light of todays news that Iran bought blueprints on building weapons on the black market. However, I think we have squanderd a lot of that leadership clout in the past few years.

Samildanach · Feb 1, 2006, 06:40 am

Maybe we should look to China for leadership instead...after all they are probably going to be the biggest before 2050 anyway. :)

brien · Feb 1, 2006, 11:54 am

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Maybe we should look to China for leadership instead...after all they are probably going to be the biggest before 2050 anyway. :)

Yep.. Anyone but the US.

Rainbow · Feb 1, 2006, 02:01 pm

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Iran warns west over nuclear row
Any move to involve the UN Security Council in the row over Iran's nuclear programme would mean the end of diplomacy, a top Iranian official says.
The warning, issued by chief Iranian nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani, follows an agreement by key powers to report Tehran to the council.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4665086.stm

It seems Iran plays games on its nuclear capabilities. Just exactly what Saddam was doing with a reference to atomic and/or nuclear developement. Iran is taking over that Islamic heritage for the Middle-East region's domination.
If the military confrontation takes place, Iran would have no chance to compete, at all.
It makes me to belive Iran wants to lead Islamic states into a sort of "global Islamic uprising" against U.S. , Westerners and/or its supporters and allies.

Regardless of these goals, Iran can not dictate the rules for checking and/or inspecting its nuclear developement along with its capabilities, under actual political agenda Teheran represents as of today, at least.

Rainbow · Feb 1, 2006, 02:14 pm

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Maybe we should look to China for leadership instead...after all they are probably going to be the biggest before 2050 anyway. :)

Go there, and figure out a prelude to your children and grandchildren future.

Whoever is going to get profits out of Chinese alleged domination in near 2050, it is going to be Russia (again).

Milton Bradley · Feb 1, 2006, 02:23 pm

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The bit I found really funny was this.

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US President George W Bush, previewing his State of the Union speech to be delivered on Tuesday, said he would have separate messages for the Iranian people and their government.

"And in speaking to the people, my message is this: 'You know, we're not going to tell you how to live your life, but we would like you to be free'," he said.

Hamas was freely elected as far as I could see...more freely elected say than he was.

This really is the key to understanding the whole predicament.

We keep electing the "Lesser Evil" thinking it is the correct course of action, and in the long run, all it really gets us is conflict.

The irony, of course, is the fact that the President realizes that oil is in limited supply, he is making plans to cut ties to Middle Eastern oil, (as are others) yet for some reason he can't do the math, and figure out that Iran needs to have contingency plans as well.

Where are the Middle Eastern countries we deny nuclear power going to generate revenue, or power when people stop buying their oil, or they run out?

I guess Bush, and the NeoCons must be comfortable putting them into a bad bargaining position for any potential future negotiations with his shortsightedness.

Again, our foreign policy pidgeonholes an entire region by refusing to let them exercise self determination.

Jan 31, 2006, 10:03 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	Iran warns west over nuclear row Any move to involve the UN Security Council in the row over Iran's nuclear programme would mean the end of diplomacy, a top Iranian official says. The warning, issued by chief Iranian nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani, follows an agreement by key powers to report Tehran to the council. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4665086.stm I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

Jan 31, 2006, 07:33 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
rmnunez Volcanic Erupter Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,772	The Iranian standoff presents a problem, if they foreclose any diplomacy in the event the UN is involved then all that's left to keep them from developing nuclear weapons is sanctions or military intervention. I'd expect the UN would endorse sanctions, but unless these are unusually effective all they do is delay the military option. Et semel emissum volat irrevocabile verbum. Raúl M. Núñez Sheriff

Feb 1, 2006, 06:40 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	Maybe we should look to China for leadership instead...after all they are probably going to be the biggest before 2050 anyway. :) I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

Jan 31, 2006, 07:49 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Scribbler1 Skeptical Patriot Posts: 7,795	Now THIS is the perfect opportunity to do what we used to do well, lead a large group of nations in showing Iran the world doesn't want them to have nuclear weapons, especially in light of todays news that Iran bought blueprints on building weapons on the black market. However, I think we have squanderd a lot of that leadership clout in the past few years.