Bin Laden offers Americans truce

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Apeman81 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Man that's funny. Bin Ladin at his word. You DO know that a staple of Islam is to offer a truce you expect to be declined just prior to launching attacks that are in the planning stage that you have no intent on not carrying out.

I do that know lying is given a pass in Islam if they are lying to the enemy.


I'll admit, I do not agree with the proposed reason for the truce, (I don't want to spend our money over there either) but I thought everybody was fundamentally against war, and would negotiate a truce given the chance.


The irony, of course, is that my government must not have wanted Osamma at the same level they wanted Saddam, because they chose to outsource the Osamma job, and the contractors failed. (Intentional, or not, we may never really know.) So excuse my anti-American stance if I seem skeptical of my governments official position.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Yeah, uh, he claims they are winning, we're losing, so he's going to be the big soft hearted guy and offer a truce.... That happens to include getting what he wants.

Right. Winners don't ask for a truce. We're winning, can there be no better proof then this?

[brien]

Quote by: rmnunez I'd expect OBL is trustworthy, after all he comes from "a nation that Allah banned from lying and stabbing others in the back".

I think they stab eachother in the ass over there. At least in Turkey they do. Turkish revenge, so to speak.

[brien]

Quote by: |Chris| Did you read the article or are you just guessing? If so Damn thats a Good guess! Spot on man! From the article: :eek:

"The White House said on Thursday that the US "does not negotiate with terrorists"


This is the mantra. It reminds me of the old Superman episode where Clark Kent sets up a tape recorder that continually plays the mantra of "no comment until the time limit is up." so he can fool the crooks into thinking Superman is sitting right there around the corner where they can't see him. Meanwhile. the crooks go about their dirty deeds and Superman goes out to chase those guys down and get them.

Problem here is that GWB only thinks he is Superman. :rolleyes:

[deedee]

I think OBL wants to us to take our defenses down, and I know that the Islamic community is keeping track of our Patriot Act which is up for discussion in mid-summer.

I also think that OBL wants us to put our 'defenses' down, so that he can make us vulnerable.

This dude needs to surrender first..........and then talk about negotiations.

[Nono]

Osama -- propelled by Boy George and the US media to stardom and bogeymandom -- is certainly harmless at this point as anything but a figurehead.*

So y'all itchin' to make the same mistake with him as you have with Saddam: turn him into bigtime recruitment-tool martyr.

You guys really never learn, do you? You're absolutely hell-bent on shooting yourselves in the foot.

* Remember that extremely sophisticated, multi-storey, well-appointed cave in Afghanistan that Rummie kept telling us all about? Well it turned out to be, well, just this cave see.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Yes nono, and if they carry out thier attacks, they pull off another 9/11, would you say they are harmless? Just boogeymen proped up by Bush and Co.?

You might think that is a risk worth taking, ignoring terrorist, but thankfully enough of us know evil when we see it and how to deal with it.

[rcne]

A hypothetical question for you. Do you think that even IF a truce is accepted, that OBL still has control. If OBL doesn't have control what good will it do.

Much like Arafat, a leader who can't control the differing groups. And by the way, we now see the effect all these biased polls have. Sometimes our media is brilliant?

[Athena]

Quote by: rmnunez Truce offer http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...1A9678D922.htm

I value freedom of speech and I value rule by reason, and for sure there is neither when people refuse to communicate.

[Nono]

Quote by: rcne Do you think that even IF a truce is accepted, that OBL still has control. If OBL doesn't have control what good will it do.

rcne, I think you and I are seeing this in a similar light: Is al-Qaida the sort of monolithic KGB-type entity to be found in the neocon wetdream? Or is it a loose assembly of Islamo-nutjob franchises operating under a flag that sports Osama's beaming countenance?

A word of advice, though, rcne. Careful what you say or you'll have Vicchio ranting at you about "them". :)

[Technosoul]

I had written my views about this in the poltical section but the post was removed and I do not see it merged here.

Anyway it seems the truce was offered to those people in America who are anti-Bush policy and not being offered to our government which is now being supervised by Bush.

That would basically mean that those who do not support Bush and Halliburton are in agreement with Ben Laden and so he wants to enlist us on "his side" of the conflict. So now Bush can say that any domocrats or others who do not support him are aiding the enemy (aka Terrorism). That can complicate things for those who wish to not agree with Bush policy for other reasons.

The truce statements work more in favor of Bush then in favor of Laden by adding confusion to the political thinking of Ameircans and by attempting to divide us between those two "leaders".

And about working together in peace and harmony to reconstruct Iraq and Afganistan which he said were "distoryed due to the Bush wars" I would ask; what about the reconstruction of the World Trade Center - is Ben Laden going to come to New York and lay a few bricks in the foundation of the new WTC site as a show of good faith?

[brien]

Quote by: deedee I think OBL wants to us to take our defenses down, and I know that the Islamic community is keeping track of our Patriot Act which is up for discussion in mid-summer. I also think that OBL wants us to put our 'defenses' down, so that he can make us vulnerable. This dude needs to surrender first..........and then talk about negotiations.

Deedee:

You wrote:I think OBL wants to us to take our defenses down

Do you really think this after further consideration? OBL must know that the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave" will never let their defenses down. What he "wants" and what he "says" are very different in their meanings. The US may be vulnerable but it isn't because OBL wants it. So we must ask oursleves what is OBL really asking for here? And why is he asking it?

Do you really think OBL would "surrender". This reminds me of the scene in the Emerald City in the Wizard of Oz where the Wicked Witch is writing "Surrender Dorothy" over the heads of the unsuspecting people. It is a fantasy.

Too many Americans are running off to the Wizard for answers from a guy who hides behind a curtain, scares everyone from the microphone with his booming voice, blows smokes all around and pretends to be all powerful to a unsuspecting and naiive people. Sound familiar?

[rmnunez]

Don’t be fooled:

The two things that stand out here are the al-Qaida carrot and stick. The carrot is a so-called truce offer, in which the US and its allies apparently withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan in return for some kind of al-Qaida ceasefire in the west. This will not be to be treated as a genuine truce offer, for it would provide al-Qaida with the time, space and place to resume planning a renewed terror campaign. There is, though, a political claim in this message that cannot be completely disregarded, designed to play into a naïve belief in some parts of the west that negotiations with Bin Laden may offer a way out of the terror and security-dominated world in which we now live.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0120-26.htm

[SteveA]

Bin Laden offers Americans truce

Everytime I read this thread title, it just strikes me as being something impossible. Obviously though Bin Laden could make a truce agreement, that's still only one man and does little with regard to terrorism in general. There's noone in the world capable of stopping terrorist actions from occuring. People control their own actions but can only influence the actions of others.

[grandpa]

Quote by: SteveA Everytime I read this thread title, it just strikes me as being something impossible. Obviously though Bin Laden could make a truce agreement, that's still only one man and does little with regard to terrorism in general.

To me it would makes sense to pull out of the Middle East regardless of Bin Laden's statements.

Grandpa h.

[thatoneguy00]

i THINK PULLING OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST WOULD BE THE DUMBEST THING WE COULD DO RIGHT NOW. AMERICA WOULD BECOME A TARGET FOR ATTACK FROM EVERY ANGLE INCLUDING WITHIN

[Matt W]

What?!?!!? Care to clarify your caps-laden statement??

[thatoneguy00]

Oh yeah sorry about the caps. But I just think that if we pull everything now that we will be under a lot of small attacks waged against america, its just a theory I have no evidence that backs this up, so I guess its more of an opinion but I don't think its a bad one. I was just raised to never show weakness and always finish what you start.

[Apeman81]

Bin Laden has nothing to give, so how can he offer? He is a fugitive mass murdering criminal. His word is nothing. He has offered truce before, just before intiating new attacks.

Not worth discussing, really

[brien]

Quote by: thatoneguy00 i THINK PULLING OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST WOULD BE THE DUMBEST THING WE COULD DO RIGHT NOW. AMERICA WOULD BECOME A TARGET FOR ATTACK FROM EVERY ANGLE INCLUDING WITHIN

Since when do you think that Israel is the undying ally of the US? Are you not familiar with the USS Liberty incident in 1967? Read up on that one, and then you may want to reconsider your writings.