SWAT team shoots "armed" 8th grader.

[Aequo]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060114/...hool_evacuated

Quote by: Yahoo News LONGWOOD, Fla. - An eighth-grader was shot and wounded by a SWAT team officer in a school bathroom Friday after he pulled out a pellet gun that resembled a real weapon and later raised it at a deputy, authorities said.

[Jack]

It appears the officer had every reason to think it was a real weapon, so legally it would seem to be justified.
That kid sounds like he needs some help. I have to wonder how he got that way and whether or not his parents noticed anything.
It will be interesting to read some of the coming comments to this thread.

[tinybear]

"The sheriff's office confirmed later that the weapon was a pellet gun fashioned to look like a 9mm handgun. The tip of the gun had been painted black, covering brightly colored markings that would have indicated it was nonlethal."

Well, it looks like he deliberately set himself up to be shot. It's not the cops' fault. Compare this with what happens in China and feel thankful folks.


http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_d...773&con_type=1

[Jack]

This is what is commonly called, "suicide by cop" and is a real chickenshit thing to do.
You want to die but you're too chickenshit to do it to yourself, so you sucker some cop into doing it for you. Then the cop has to deal with it for the rest of his life, both the act and its impact on his family.
I don't agree with the mindset of suicides any more than I do with that of the theists. But at least the theists I know aren't violent.
Is a persecution complex a secret desire ultimately to be killed? Another form of suicide by proxy.

[SteveA]

Quote by: Isherwood This is what is commonly called, "suicide by cop" ...

Yes, that's what it sounds like. If he would have lived a bit longer, things probably would have worked out fine but you can't blame the S.W.A.T. team for shooting.

[bugsbunny04]

Ever hear of natural selection? survival of the fittest? If you are mentally unfit enough to pull a pellet gun on somebody who is already pointing a 9mm submachinegun at you, naturally you shouldnt be selected for survival. Get over it. At 12 you should know not to pull a pellet gun on somebody with an MP-5. If you dont, you parents shouldnt have been allowed to breed.

[Osborn F Enready]

If I am not mistaken, that is a replica "Model 59" Smith and Wesson, by Daisy's "Soft-Air" Division.
It fires a 6mm plastic pellet, that is harmless unless shot into the exposed eye. The airguns are sold as "Realistic replicas" of real guns, you must be 18 to buy them (that I know of in this area) and they are absolutely realistic. I had one exactly like that when I was about 15 years old, and the slide functioned just like the real gun, and the pellets fire out of simulated plastic 9mm rounds that look like the actual bullet, but actually serve as a part of the air chamber and barrel, and when fired, the "simulated plastic 9mm round" ejects from the gun as the slide cycles, as the pellet leaves the barrel. To even the most critical critics, these pellet guns look identical and could easily be mistaken for the real guns they replicate.

Most of them like the one pictured, cost between $39.00 and $59.00 retail, and they serve as excellent training tools, introductory examples to firearms for kids, as well as affordable means for gun hobbyists to collect rare and hard to find replicas of arms they can't legally own, or afford.

As usual though, this child was intent on suicide, so it wouldn't have mattered if it was a stick in his pocket, he was intent on acheiving one thing, and that was death.

It is a shame the gun and gun hobby industry will once again be villified because this kids parents were shitty, and provided him something he obviously wasn't mature, or stable enough, to be trusted with. Maybe if the parents would have raised the kid better, he would still be alive today.

I feel for the officer who had to shoot him, and I feel he had to.

[thatoneguy00]

I am with osborn on this one, its situations like these that are going to trigger politicians to mouth about gun control when their is responsible gun owners in this country like me that only use the gun as intended. Like hunting and sport clay shooting. Every year something like this happens and NRA gets all the blame. Anyone who is a card carrier for the NRA knows how to responsibly handle a weapon, mostly. The politicians think the NRA promotes this shit, and ya know what the NRA will be the first group against it. Its kind of like in one case in the state of washington, a small town there had a conceal and carry law, making it legal to carry firearms on your person at all times. Well some dombass thought he would be cute and walk into a gun store and try to rob it, if there is a conceal and carry law, the last place you want to rob is a gun store. He pulled a weapon and about six guys in there fired on him at once killing him dead. and here is another story about the same as the swat who had no choice but to fire on the eighth grader. In that same state of florida when a guy went ape shit, claiming he had a bomb, the air marshalls told him to stop and get down and he didn't they warned him again, then as he was reaching into a bag they fired on him and killed him. That officer who fired had no way of knowing this guy was just flipping out because of some bipolar disorder. He did what he had to do. And now he has to live with it, all because this guy flipped out at the absolute wrong time and wrong place.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: thatoneguy00 I am with osborn on this one, its situations like these that are going to trigger politicians to mouth about gun control when their is responsible gun owners in this country like me that only use the gun as intended. Like hunting and sport clay shooting. Every year something like this happens and NRA gets all the blame. Anyone who is a card carrier for the NRA knows how to responsibly handle a weapon, mostly. The politicians think the NRA promotes this shit, and ya know what the NRA will be the first group against it. Its kind of like in one case in the state of washington, a small town there had a conceal and carry law, making it legal to carry firearms on your person at all times. Well some dombass thought he would be cute and walk into a gun store and try to rob it, if there is a conceal and carry law, the last place you want to rob is a gun store. He pulled a weapon and about six guys in there fired on him at once killing him dead. and here is another story about the same as the swat who had no choice but to fire on the eighth grader. In that same state of florida when a guy went ape shit, claiming he had a bomb, the air marshalls told him to stop and get down and he didn't they warned him again, then as he was reaching into a bag they fired on him and killed him. That officer who fired had no way of knowing this guy was just flipping out because of some bipolar disorder. He did what he had to do. And now he has to live with it, all because this guy flipped out at the absolute wrong time and wrong place.

Guys like Chuck Schumer salivate uncontrollably over stories like this one. They can rant and rave about the "gun industry" and call for more, feel good legislation to cater to their fringe followers. Odd how they can never see a story about the 70 year old Granny that saves her life by the presence of a firearm.

I guess not so odd as we all know that such stories are lie made up by the NRA.

[thatoneguy00]

What are you trying to say apeman? Are you trying to say that you are against the NRA, and against the second ammenment, or are you trying to say you are for it?

[Osborn F Enready]

thatoneguy00 said:
I am with osborn on this one, its situations like these that are going to trigger politicians to mouth about gun control when their is responsible gun owners in this country like me that only use the gun as intended. Like hunting and sport clay shooting.

I say:
While I appreciate the intended agreement, I would not agree that hunting and sport clay shooting are all, or even a significant reason as to why a citizen has the right to own a gun. I am not sure you intended to imply that specifically, but I want to clarify my point of view just the same.

The first and foremost reason we have an enumerated right to bear arms is to have an armed populace, to ensure against tyranny and provide a solid defense against foreign invasion through deterence based on the fact that an armed populace poses significant problems for enemy ground force takeover.

Another critical reason is for defense against any person whom may take it upon themselves to seek to deprive you or your loved ones of your sacred rights, by threatening your safety, life or limb.

Hunting is also important, as it allows man to provide for himself in times of dire emergency, or for the excuse of wildlife population control, in our supposedly civillized society as in it relates to hunting.

I personally also respect, and appreciate all forms of hobby shooting, including plinking on a Sunday for no other reason than to do it. Being familliar with ones firearms behooves them in all cases of use.

Regardless, our right to bear arms is intrinsically tied to the security of enforcement of our rights against all aggressors, individual, foreign enemy, or domestic enemy in the form of corrupt government, as well as it is tied to the ability to secure safety against beast in all forms.

The right to bear arms is probably the most important right of all, as it is the recognition and acknowledgement of force as a reasonable means to defend that which we deem essential to our being, including all other rights, when challenged by an ill meaning aggressor whatever form they may take, nature or man.

We hold these truths to be self evident.

[Osborn F Enready]

Apeman said:
I guess not so odd as we all know that such stories are lie made up by the NRA.

I say:
I assume you were intending that as sarcastic humor, since we know the NRA does no such thing.

I am not an NRA member, or supporter, but the evidence of these cases is all over documented news sources, as well as great publications like American Rifleman.

[Aequo]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060114/...hool_evacuated

Quote by: Yahoo News LONGWOOD, Fla. - A reportedly suicidal teenager who was shot by police while brandishing a pellet gun in his middle school has died of his injuries, his family's spokeswoman said Saturday.

[Nono]

Quote by: apeman Odd how they can never see a story about the 70 year old Granny that saves her life by the presence of a firearm.

And this is a golden opportunity for you, apeman, to set an example for them.
So serve us up some instances of the 70-year-old-granny variety.

[Nono]

Hey, Aequo, I see you joined Volconvo in Jan. 1970. And you have 182 posts. That makes about ... ahh... five posts a year, right?

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Nono Hey, Aequo, I see you joined Volconvo in Jan. 1970. And you have 182 posts. That makes about ... ahh... five posts a year, right?

Now it says;

Aequo
Moderator

Join Date: Dec 1969
Posts: 182


Man, I had no idea we could be posting here back in the Nam era. Cool.

[shield772]

Well I am happy to see that no one has posted any cop bashing on this one, as someone who has been shot at by someone intent on me ending their life (suicide by cop) is is a chickenhearted cowardly thing to do to someone and make them live with for the rest of their life, this kid went through a lot of trouble to make this thing look like a 9mm and then pointed it at a SWAT officer he wanted to die.

[bishop]

usually, the cop bashing happens when the cop deserves to be bashed.. (i know a former cop couldn't understand that a cop could deserve a proper bashing, but that's besides the point.)


update: this kid's dead.

[shield772]

Brain dead, on life support, they are waiting to harvest his organs

[bishop]

that's the equivalent to being dead in my book.. *i think therefore i am.*