Suicide bombers kill over 110 in Iraqi cities

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: RickSp Ape, now you are claiming that the soldiers are guilty but the officers are innocent? Hell, you should work for the Bush administration.

You know, it's entirely possible we might HAVE members who are paid to pump up this administration.

If they can buy journalists in this country and pay for planted stories in the Iraqi media it seems a logical step to pay a bunch of people a small stipend to come on these forums singing the administration's praises.

I'm not saying Apeman is one of them but it wouldn't surprise me if there was one here.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: RickSp Ape, now you are claiming that the soldiers are guilty but the officers are innocent? Hell, you should work for the Bush administration. I guess that is what you mean by "supporting the troops." And you seem damned proud that the US is using illegal weapons in residential areas. Your final slur about "better men", well, your macho crap is equal parts boring and stupid. Your problem, not mine.

Learn to read for comprehension.

When I did I mention the Bush Administration?

[dilligras]

If they can buy journalists in this country and pay for planted stories in the Iraqi media it seems a logical step to pay a bunch of people a small stipend to come on these forums singing the administration's praises. I'm not saying Apeman is one of them but it wouldn't surprise me if there was one here.

Ooooo, a stipend........where do I sign up?:)

[dilligras]

Quote by: Zeebadee Well, what would be an acceptable method for an Iraqi to resist what he sees as an invasion of his country? How should the Iraqi's try to defend their country? I'm curious as to what would be acceptable to you, and still be practical and effective for them. I'm still waiting to hear from Mr. V and the other bushbots. Is the average Iraqi going to be allowed to defend his country, or do we make the rules such that ANY practical defense is defined as terrorism?

Don't know any bots other than the anti-American jihadibots who will support any outrage, even treason, so long as it is in line with their agenda.

Remind you of anyone?

As to your query, it speaks of "average Iraqis", as though their number existed solely of the minute hardcore faction of a previously controlling minority.

Causing any rational person to question your understanding of the word "minority".

I find it rather hypocritical that the left complains bitterly about their unsupported perception that a minority composed of elitist, powerful corporate entities has gained control of America's policy direction, while simultaneously mourning the Iraqi majority's recent escape from real subjugation.

But then, double standards are the bread and butter of elitists, n'est pas?

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: dilligras Ooooo, a stipend........where do I sign up?:)

They won't tell me, damn.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Apeman81 Learn to read for comprehension. When I did I mention the Bush Administration?

LOL. No, Ape, I mentioned the Bush administration. You quoted me. I guess you didn't understand the reference. And you are suggesting I learn to read for comprehension? Amusing. :rolleyes:

[RickSp]

Quote by: dilligras Ooooo, a stipend........where do I sign up?:)

Give the Lincoln Group a call and claim to be an Iraqi journalist. Who knows you might get lucky.

The Pentagon's secret public relations work in Iraq has been in the news since the Los AngelesTimes revealed that the Lincoln Group, as part of a $6 million Pentagon contract, had paid members of the Iraqi news media to anonymously publish stories written by U.S. military personnel.

Most think propaganda campaign in Iraq wrong

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: dilligras I find it rather hypocritical that the left complains bitterly about their unsupported perception that a minority composed of elitist, powerful corporate entities has gained control of America's policy direction, while simultaneously mourning the Iraqi majority's recent escape from real subjugation. But then, double standards are the bread and butter of elitists, n'est pas?

Many who oppose American militarism and interventionism are not leftists, my friend. We see that agenda as promoting MORE government control of our lives, higher spending by government, requiring higher taxes and suppression of free speech. We see election fraud to promote preselected candidates who feather the nests of elitists, yes, and we also see ignorant statist toadies calling us leftists and laugh.

Escape from subjugation? I suppose that those adrift at sea on a leaky boat with a madman might see diving into the jaws of a shark as escape, too...

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: dilligras Don't know any bots other than the anti-American jihadibots who will support any outrage, even treason, so long as it is in line with their agenda. Remind you of anyone?

Not unless you are referring to those in the current administration that are acting in violation of the Constitution.

Quote by: dilligras I find it rather hypocritical that the left complains bitterly about their unsupported perception that a minority composed of elitist, powerful corporate entities has gained control of America's policy direction, while simultaneously mourning the Iraqi majority's recent escape from real subjugation.

I don't know of anyone that is "mourning the Iraqi majority's recent escape from real subjugation". If the Iraqi's want to be free, I'm all for it. If you want to go over and help them, I'm all for that also. What I object to is having my tax money go to fight for something they should be doing on their own. How long do you think this asinine war would last if only it's supporters were required to pay for it??

BTW, you still didn't answer my original question.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Many who oppose American militarism and interventionism are not leftists, my friend. We see that agenda as promoting MORE government control of our lives, higher spending by government, requiring higher taxes and suppression of free speech. We see election fraud to promote preselected candidates who feather the nests of elitists, yes, and we also see ignorant statist toadies calling us leftists and laugh. Escape from subjugation? I suppose that those adrift at sea on a leaky boat with a madman might see diving into the jaws of a shark as escape, too...

"militarism and interventionism"

Just what do you believe America is trying to "intervene" in? I propose to you that there have been few times in which our military had better cause to intervene. We are intervening in the actions of those whose desire it is to kill our people and destroy our nation.

Not in Iraq? Blithely believe that Saddam’s regime had nothing to do with any terrorist’s actions or desires and that it did not give aid to them. To have that opinion is your right.

Just as it is the right of the President to have a different opinion. And as President, he has a duty to act as he sees fit in response to the threats perceived against us.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Apeman81 "militarism and interventionism" Just what do you believe America is trying to "intervene" in? I propose to you that there have been few times in which our military had better cause to intervene. We are intervening in the actions of those whose desire it is to kill our people and destroy our nation. Not in Iraq? Blithely believe that Saddam’s regime had nothing to do with any terrorist’s actions or desires and that it did not give aid to them. To have that opinion is your right. Just as it is the right of the President to have a different opinion. And as President, he has a duty to act as he sees fit in response to the threats perceived against us.

Few times? Well, you may be correct, since the US has been a bully for decades if not centuries.

However, all those who oppose your militarist agenda and that of Bush and Cheney aren't leftists. So I suppose we can dismiss that calumny.

The president's opinion has led us into a war that now may cost the taxpayer $2 trillion. The so called "escape from subjugation" that you allege has been so generously donated to the Iraqi nation by the US taxpayer is not worth that sum.

You really do have the intelligence of an ape if you think that Iraq threatened the US. And what is the threat now?

Why is the US' largest embassy being constructed in Baghdad?

Why are four US "Superbases" being constructed in various locations near Baghdad?

Certainly not to continue the occupation of that nation... :rolleyes:

The US invasion and occupation of Iraq was for economic and geostrategic purposes, not to counter any threat. Haha! You bought that transparent smokescreen?

The Iraqis need another democratic vote: whether or not all foreign occupiers must leave their nation...

[Apeman81]

For what its worth

“Few times? Well, you may be correct, since the US has been a bully for decades if not centuries.”

Gratuitous assertion gratuitously ignored.

”However, all those who oppose your militarist agenda and that of Bush and Cheney aren't leftists. So I suppose we can dismiss that calumny”

I still have not asserted all who oppose the war to be leftist.

”The president's opinion has led us into a war that now may cost the taxpayer $2 trillion. The so called "escape from subjugation" that you allege has been so generously donated to the Iraqi nation by the US taxpayer is not worth that sum.”

How much should we pay to avoid another 9/11. Your argument of cost is meaningless. How much did WWII cost? Should FDR not have fought based on cost? Shall we discuss how many other elected officials shared the same opinion as the president? How many voted to allow the President to launch the war?

”You really do have the intelligence of an ape if you think that Iraq threatened the US. And what is the threat now?”

Iraq not only failed to meet the obligations of the original ceasefire that left Saddam in power, and on several occasions targeted US aircraft serving to maintain those ceasefire agreements. That is why previous administrations had acted against Saddam and called for a regime change in Iraq.

Do you seriously believe that Saddam had no association and in not offer support for Al Qaeda? Funny how active non Iraqi, Al Qaeda leaders have been in supporting the terrorist activities in Iraq

”Why is the US' largest embassy being constructed in Baghdad?”

Meaningless. Where is the largest that exists today? Do we occupy that nation?

”Why are four US "Superbases" being constructed in various locations near Baghdad?”

We have bases in dozens of nations. Do we “occupy” those nations? Germany? France? Japan? etc

” The Iraqis need another democratic vote: whether or not all foreign occupiers must leave their nation...”

The Iraqis will, for the first time ever and as a direct result of our having overthrown Saddam, have many, real votes to bring about whatever changes they decide upon in their nation.

So you DO realize the benefits realized by the Iraqi people as a result of our removing Saddam!

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Apeman81 So you DO realize the benefits realized by the Iraqi people as a result of our removing Saddam!

Heh...the benefits:

[Apeman81]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Heh...the benefits:

That's your best rebuttal?

[PatrickHenry]

What's the point in rebutting, Apeman? This issue is about talked out...

[RickSp]

Quote by: PatrickHenry What's the point in rebutting, Apeman? This issue is about talked out...

Rebutting the Ape is a waste of time. He has no interest in the facts. Just his own macho madness. I do particularly like one of his charges:

Not in Iraq? Blithely believe that Saddam’s regime had nothing to do with any terrorist’s actions or desires and that it did not give aid to them. To have that opinion is your right.

Typical Ape. He starts rebutting a claim no one makes. No one claims that Saddam's regime had nothing to do with any terrorist. It is true that Saddam's Iraq provided the least support for terrorist activity of any of the states in the region, including our good friends in Pakistan and Saudi. Not that Ape would ever acknowledge that.

And by posing this foolish straw man, Ape repeats by implication the old Bush/Cheney lie that Saddam was aiding and cooperating with Al Qaeda, a canard debunked over and over again. But Ape has a right to his opinions, even if they are scurrilous fictions.

[Samildanach]

Well the US will have to pull out of Iraq soon to confront the Iranian oil threat. Iran is looking to start pricing its oil in Euros shortly. I read an article today that said if Iran does this it could be a worse blow to the US economy than a nuclear strike.

[dilligras]

Quote by: PatrickHenry You really do have the intelligence of an ape if you think that Iraq threatened the US. And what is the threat now?

More ad hominy grits arguments, Patrick? And such a lame one, too.

Why is the US' largest embassy being constructed in Baghdad? Why are four US "Superbases" being constructed in various locations near Baghdad?

It is also the strongest embassy, due to the hostile environment and that it is sure to be a prime target for Al-Qaeda......sounds logical to me.

As for the superbases, it may be that ALL future US bases will be of this type

But I reckon that some who traipse gayly down the yellow gauche road would likely see a dark lining around every white, fluffly contrail.


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[dilligras]

Sorry, I missed this before.

Quote by: Zeebadee BTW, you still didn't answer my original question.

Yes I did........my response started with the words, "as to your query".

I do not answer questions which assume something not in evidence; such as the ludicrous premise that the insurgents opposing the regime change and our temporary presence are "average Iraqis".

Remind me not to recommend you to anyone looking for someone to write poll questions.

[rmnunez]

I'm intrigued over the lack of concern over the insurgency's atrocious military to civilian kill ratio.