Senate blocks attempt to allow drilling in Alaska refuge

[Chris]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 Oh hey look a stupid rock sitting in the middle of a wasteland with no animals or plant life in sight for a 100 miles. Oh hey lets protect it and call it a "national trasure".

Oh hey look how tman skipped over the point that there are animals and plant life there verified by researchers on location.

House backs oil drilling in Alaskan refuge
http://arctic.fws.gov/wildlife.htm

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: |Chris| Oh hey look how tman skipped over the point that there are animals and plant life there verified by researchers on location. http://arctic.fws.gov/wildlife.htm

And would drilling displace or harm any of the speicies listed here?

Nope.


The fact is that drilling would only take up a small peice of land from the refuge. Drilling teams have already developed techniques that allow the transfer of equipment into the site without harming the land (ice bridges). It's also already a fact that the local wildlife coexist with current rigs.


There is no possible argument against the drilling.

Only spite.

[Chris]

Love how you ignore the fact that you first said there was no animals, but now concede that there are animals, but they wont be harmed.

Whats the matter tman, hate to admit you were wrong?

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: |Chris| Love how you ignore the fact that you first said there was no animals, but now concede that there are animals, but they wont be harmed. Whats the matter tman, hate to admit you were wrong?

Are you going to present a relevent counter argument or just sling ad homs around?

[Chris]

I have presented counter arguments that you have ignored.

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: |Chris| I have presented counter arguments that you have ignored.

No you haven't.

[Troll]

Yes there are animals and plants there in some parts. Yes they were and still are all over before tand after the pipeline went in. Yes people said it would harm or kill all the animals there. Yes, they were wrong as hell then too.

Here you can find pictures of the critters living in harmony with man's nasty evil creations.

http://patrickendres.com/cgi-bin/scr...ipeline+photos

[Chris]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 No you haven't.

I know you are but what am I? and My dad can beat up your dad.

And re read the thread.

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: |Chris| I know you are but what am I? and My dad can beat up your dad. And re read the thread.

I've replied to every one of your replies toward me.

I'm not going to read every single post on the thread.

[Chris]

I am not biting down on the bait tman.

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: |Chris| I am not biting down on the bait tman.

There is no bait.

[Logjam]

Quote by: bishop i'm kind of glad this failed... i abhor this tactic of slapping failed legislation into other spending bills. all of this because the head of the appropriations committee wants his little pet project.

However; it would be kind of nice to bring a million or so barrels of oil into the US from our wells. Otherwise we buy the stuff and give the money to the Arabs. It'd also be nice to provide well paying jobs to the 150 or so people who live around ANWR. Furthermore there are some who say that there is a lot more oil under ANWR that the anti-drill side says there is.

This defeat of the ANWR drilling is a travisty; it's a shame. But I agree that the tactic of tacking bills onto other bills is underhanded. Someone said that one doesn't want to watch sausage or laws being made. That's generally true.

[Logjam]

Quote by: |Chris| Oh hey look how tman skipped over the point that there are animals and plant life there verified by researchers on location. House backs oil drilling in Alaskan refuge http://arctic.fws.gov/wildlife.htm

And don't forget that there are 16,000,000 acres in ANWR. The drilling will take up about 1,600. The buildings will be built on stilts to avoid damaging the permafrost. So I suggest that you save the 15, 998,400 remaining acres. Go up there and picnic. Have a vacation. You'll love the place..........NOT.

The facts just don't support the avid Democrat obstruction to this very real and valuable project.

[Logjam]

Quote by: Troll Biden attaches anti-rave act to amber alert bill http://www.drugpolicy.org/communities/raveact/

I'm not sure about that, but I am sure that the Republicans gave Clinton his Supreme Court nominations, even if they were left wing ideologues. And I'm equally sure that the Repubs didn't use the filibuster as the Demos do. Now they declare a filibuster on almost all bills. It used to be used only in rare instances. There is a five seat Repub majority in the Senate, it used to be enough; now there is a 10 seat majority required because the Demos declare a filibuster if they don't like a bill.

The Democrat's behavior is scurrilous. If they filibuster this next Sup Court nomination I hope that Frist uses the Constitution optioin and slams the Demos into the dirt, where they belong.

[bishop]

Quote by: Logjam However; it would be kind of nice to bring a million or so barrels of oil into the US from our wells. Otherwise we buy the stuff and give the money to the Arabs. It'd also be nice to provide well paying jobs to the 150 or so people who live around ANWR. Furthermore there are some who say that there is a lot more oil under ANWR that the anti-drill side says there is. This defeat of the ANWR drilling is a travisty; it's a shame. But I agree that the tactic of tacking bills onto other bills is underhanded. Someone said that one doesn't want to watch sausage or laws being made. That's generally true.

i don't see drilling in anwr as being any solution whatsoever to our oil dependency.. anwr or not, we STILL depend entirely on foreign oil. ANWR is barely a drop in the bucket, so i can't agree that this is a travesty at all.

i wouldn't have a problem with drilling if the administration/congress included real assistance for alternative energies (i don't think this is really asking too much of our "leaders"). and if that was proposed, i can't see how drilling would've been opposed by the senate.

[fushigi]

Quote by: Logjam However; it would be kind of nice to bring a million or so barrels of oil into the US from our wells. Otherwise we buy the stuff and give the money to the Arabs.

I didn't realize there were so many Arabs in Canada and Venezuela!

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: bishop i don't see drilling in anwr as being any solution whatsoever to our oil dependency.. anwr or not, we STILL depend entirely on foreign oil. ANWR is barely a drop in the bucket, so i can't agree that this is a travesty at all. i wouldn't have a problem with drilling if the administration/congress included real assistance for alternative energies (i don't think this is really asking too much of our "leaders"). and if that was proposed, i can't see how drilling would've been opposed by the senate.

It's quite a bit more than a drop in the bucket.


Regardless, it can only help. So why are you against it?

[Logjam]

Quote by: bishop i don't see drilling in anwr as being any solution whatsoever to our oil dependency.. anwr or not, we STILL depend entirely on foreign oil. ANWR is barely a drop in the bucket, so i can't agree that this is a travesty at all. If ANWR is not big deal then let the oil companies drill. It'll be profitable for them, the expenses will be born by them, it'll employ many thousands providing high paying jobs and it'll give us some oil. Least we'll be buying a million or so barrels a day from our companies and not the Arabs. The fuss that the Demos are making over ANWR is mindless. It's simply demogogary (sp?) i wouldn't have a problem with drilling if the administration/congress included real assistance for alternative energies (i don't think this is really asking too much of our "leaders"). and if that was proposed, i can't see how drilling would've been opposed by the senate.

Bush offered 16 billion for alternative fuel research and development. That's real assistance. Trouble is the Congress hasn't done anything with the offer. Why? The Demos don't want to give the solution to a Republican Adminstration. Again, the Demos are sacrificing what's good for the country for what they think is good for their party.

[Logjam]

Quote by: fushigi Quote by: Logjam However; it would be kind of nice to bring a million or so barrels of oil into the US from our wells. Otherwise we buy the stuff and give the money to the Arabs. I didn't realize there were so many Arabs in Canada and Venezuela!

Oh, God they are everywhere.

[Lilith]

Quote by: bishop Quote by: Logjam However; it would be kind of nice to bring a million or so barrels of oil into the US from our wells. Otherwise we buy the stuff and give the money to the Arabs. It'd also be nice to provide well paying jobs to the 150 or so people who live around ANWR. Furthermore there are some who say that there is a lot more oil under ANWR that the anti-drill side says there is. This defeat of the ANWR drilling is a travisty; it's a shame. But I agree that the tactic of tacking bills onto other bills is underhanded. Someone said that one doesn't want to watch sausage or laws being made. That's generally true. i don't see drilling in anwr as being any solution whatsoever to our oil dependency.. anwr or not, we STILL depend entirely on foreign oil. ANWR is barely a drop in the bucket, so i can't agree that this is a travesty at all. i wouldn't have a problem with drilling if the administration/congress included real assistance for alternative energies (i don't think this is really asking too much of our "leaders"). and if that was proposed, i can't see how drilling would've been opposed by the senate.

I agree, bishop. I'm glad the refuge is still protected. I'm just real curious how much oil is actually there. As much as American consumes, I'm wondering how long it will last. Alternative energy solutions need to be the wave of the future and soon, I think. Buying foreign oil (aka the Arabs), supports terroism? Christ almighty! Hmmm...why are we over in Iraq again??? I wish I was smart enough to come up with an alternative energy source....*sigh*