House backs oil drilling in Alaskan refuge

[jbarn19]

Quote by: Birdzeye You can still drive an SUV and be environmentally conscious. There are a few SUV hybrids on the market: Ford Escape, Toyota Highlander, and Lexus RX400H. And what makes you think SUVs are necessarily safer? Having AWD is a great feature in winter weather, but they are often at higher risk for rollover.

I want an American Brand SUV and not a Ford. And rollovers are for the people that don't understand how to drive an SUV. I have driven SUVs and trucks for more that 12 years and never had any issue close to a rollover.

Quote by: Birdzeye But if what you REALLY want to do is piss off the "tree huggers," well, what can I say.

I just want them to see that they cant set the way for millions of people. Everywhere you drive you see SUVs and Trucks. You can't expect me to give up 2 SUVs that are paid for and start payments on a new expensive hybrid. Tree huggers need to pick their battles, and this is one they wont win.

[jbarn19]

Last year, when another environmental organization, Greenpeace, polled 400 climate scientists, it found that only 13% agreed with the general proposition that the earth is marching steadily and irrevocably towards man-made global warming.
University of Virginia professor Patrick Michaels, whose book Sound and Fury: The Politics and Science of Global Warming will be published in October, was among the rest.
Michaels says that not only is it not clear that man-made emissions are causing global warming but, "Observed data more support the notion that prospective climate change would be neutral or even possibly beneficial.


The truth is America is sitting on more oil than we need.

[bishop]

the truth, eh?

care to cite a source for those of us who aren't prepared to accept your comments at face value?

[jbarn19]

Quote by: bishop the truth, eh? care to cite a source for those of us who aren't prepared to accept your comments at face value?

Is this really the first time you have heard of this?

The United States holds significant oil shale resources underlying a total area of 16,000 square miles. This represents the largest known concentration of oil shale in the world and holds the equivalent of 2.6 trillion barrels of oil. More than 70 percent of American oil shale is on Federal land, primarily in Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming. The Energy Policy Act directs that public lands in these three States be made available for RD&D leasing within six months of the measure becoming law.

The BLM initiated an oil shale development program in 2003 in support of President Bush’s National Energy Policy, which seeks a diverse supply of affordable energy for American families and businesses. The Energy Policy Act establishes that oil shale, tar sands, and other strategic unconventional fuels should be developed to reduce the nation’s dependence on imported oil.

And we went to war for oil? It is the democrats that are trying to block things like this.

http://www.blm.gov/nhp/news/releases...0_oilshale.htm

[Capitalist Pig]

I'll remind people that we don't really know how much oil is in ANWR. All of these "new reports" you see coming out are really just reinterpretations of old data -- data collected in the 1980s.

[bishop]

yeah, i realize that the reports don't really tell us all that much..

i'm not predominately opposed to drilling in anwr.. but, i don't support it because there is absolutely no real thought put into weening ourselves off of oil. with global oil supplies on a predictable rise, i don't see the current situation as remotely close to sustainable. drilling in anwr won't change that reality. i was hoping for a comprehensive energy plan and all we got was drilling in anwr..

[Osborn F Enready]

Shield said:
I understand your concern for the planet but this won't hurt any planet but our part and I don't see how this concerns Europe.

I say:
It doesn't concern Europe, except in the sense that they have access thanks to the internet to see through all the bullshit lies by our leaders thanks to the internet.
It concerns all people who have eyes, can read, and understand English.

[bishop]

yeah.. and since the europeans have more of an environmental conscience than we do (if we even have one at all), they have every right to oppose anwr.. unless you believe in "intelligent design" type scientists, you'll understand that burning oil contributes to global warming.

[shield772]

I suppose they have a right to an opinion on ANWR, they have a right to express that opinion but in the end it isn't their descision, it's ours, it's our oil in our state a state I would again remind everyone where no complaints by any elected officials have been lodged, no congressmen the governor has remained silent I haven't heard one complaint form anyone who lives there.

[pubmanager]

Quote by: shield772 I suppose they have a right to an opinion on ANWR, they have a right to express that opinion but in the end it isn't their descision, it's ours, it's our oil in our state a state I would again remind everyone where no complaints by any elected officials have been lodged, no congressmen the governor has remained silent I haven't heard one complaint form anyone who lives there.

Sheild, I have an analogy for you.

You live in a house on a hill one row back from the ocean. From your first floor balcony you get an ocean view over the house in frount, you love the view and also the ocean view adds considerable value to your property. One day, the guy who owns the house infront of you decides to replace his house with a high-rise appartment block. You say to him, please don't do that, you're destroying my view and my house will be worth less. He says, you're entitled to your oppinion and you are entitled to express it but it isn't your decision, it's mine. I own the land and no-one who lives here has got any objections, so screw you.

Whould you be OK with this?

[Chris]

Quote by: jbarn19 You take on the world and let us know how it goes. Don't take it out on the world just because you ride your bike everyday to the cyber cafe. I drive 2 SUVs, and will drive them until my freedom is stripped from my cold dead fingers. I will not lower the safety of my family in a tiny tin car for the likes of tree huggers. DRILL THAT OIL!!!!

Thats nice. Guess you didn't get the memo that SUV's were less safe than normal cars. :rolleyes:

[Chris]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 For every one of you who trys to conserve gas, I'm going to waste that amount plus 30%. Why? Because I can afford it and I don't really give a crap.

Selfish git

Guess you don't realize that you are contributing to the dependancy of foreign oil. Just because you can afford it doesn't mean you should waste it just to be spiteful.

Not very smart IMO.

[Chris]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 Trash what? There is nothing in ANWR. The place already is a worthless tundra. I hope they do trash it. At least we'll get some oil out of it. Sheez.

And you are supposed to be at university? :eek:

[shield772]

Quote by: pubmanager Sheild, I have an analogy for you. You live in a house on a hill one row back from the ocean. From your first floor balcony you get an ocean view over the house in frount, you love the view and also the ocean view adds considerable value to your property. One day, the guy who owns the house infront of you decides to replace his house with a high-rise appartment block. You say to him, please don't do that, you're destroying my view and my house will be worth less. He says, you're entitled to your oppinion and you are entitled to express it but it isn't your decision, it's mine. I own the land and no-one who lives here has got any objections, so screw you. Whould you be OK with this?

Yep, because it's his right to do with his property as he sees fit.

[Chris]

Quote by: shield772 And as far as drilling in ANWR goes, it is our land, foreign nations have no say in the matter, the joy of America, we get to do what we want when we want and there is nothing y'all can do about it and it pisses ya off. We do not subscribe to the belief in global communities and governments.

Hello, carbon emissions affect GLOBAL warming. :rolleyes:

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 Quote by: Milton Bradley The saddest, and funniest thing aout this whole discussion has passed you all by. Where does the oil piped down the Alaska Pipeline end up? Valdez Alaska where it's then take by ship to the lower 48.

And you know this for absolute certain?

Quote by: jbarn19 I just want them to see that they cant set the way for millions of people. Everywhere you drive you see SUVs and Trucks. You can't expect me to give up 2 SUVs that are paid for and start payments on a new expensive hybrid. Tree huggers need to pick their battles, and this is one they wont win.

WE are not trying to set the way. We are trying to get people to realize that just because you can afford the gas doesn't mean you should waste it. You are contributing to more consumption and the more America consumes a resource that we have to importthe more trouble we will be in in an interruption of delivery (i.e. Katrina) A vehicle that uses more gas makes more emissions and also sucks our national supply more than me in my fuel efficient car.

Quote by: shield772 I suppose they have a right to an opinion on ANWR, they have a right to express that opinion but in the end it isn't their descision, it's ours, it's our oil in our state a state I would again remind everyone where no complaints by any elected officials have been lodged, no congressmen the governor has remained silent I haven't heard one complaint form anyone who lives there.

of course you wont hear any complaints because of a thing called the yearly dividend. I used to live there and residents get a fat ass check each year because of the oil. I used to live there and I am adamantly AGAINST this. I am an American and I, along with roughly half of registered voters are AGAINST this.

[shield772]

Well that might be important if we lived in a true democracy but we don't, we live in a Republic, our representatives make collective descisions for us and it looks like we're gonna drill.

[bishop]

how about i take a nice stack of tires, douse them in kerosene and let them go ablaze... you as my neighbor can cry all you want, i'm not putting the fire out - it's my property and i'll do what i want on it.

forgetting the legality of such an actions, you'd be fine with that too, right? it is his property after all. just trying to grapple with your amazingly simple "logic"..

[shield772]

Property rights are sacred here, kinda the bedrock of the Constitution and the beliefs of the founding fathers. so yes barring a law I could site that would stop you I would have to live with it, convince you to stop, or move.

[bishop]

sorry if i take that response with a grain of salt.. you support bush wiping his ass with the constitution when it comes to spying on u.s. citizens in one thread - then you espouse it in another.

that's called duplicity.

[shield772]

No it's called seeing the difference between idealism and reality, in a perfect world we wouldn't need spies, we live in a far from perfect world, do I think what he did was necesary yes, was anyone damaged no, was it legal not sure, I do not pretend to know all laws I am not a lawyer I am a simple ex-cop trying to make it through life, I have opinions and I have knowledge, I know for example that the 911 commision chastised the President and the NSA for not doing this exact thing before 911, I know Clinton had the NSA doing the exact same thing during his term, I know i sometimes take extreme positions when y'all constantly attack the President and America for everything no matter the circumstances, I am a complicated person, I believe abortion is murder but I support the death penalty, I advocate smaller domestic federal government but a stronger federal government for foreign affairs, I am gay and a christian, the duplicity of me goes on and on.