Iran calls for US exit from Iraq

[rcne]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4460430.stm

Iran calls for US exit from Iraq Mr Talabani (l) has said he expects Iran will help beat insurgents Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has urged the visiting Iraqi president to push for a speedy pullout of foreign troops from his country. The ayatollah also told Jalal Talabani that the US was mainly responsible for widespread violence in Iraq.

The oppressive regime of Iran wants no part of a Democratic Iraq, it may lead Iranians to question who is being severed by the Iranian government.

I still suspect the Iranian elections were rigged away from the moderation that appeared to be gaining strength in Iran.

The old men sitting on their religious power in Iran watching the birth of Democracy all around them. - I'd be nervous too.

[shield772]

I bet they do, with us that close and a democratic government right next door makes it harder for them to make nuclear weapons in secret.

[RickSp]

Quote by: shield772 I bet they do, with us that close and a democratic government right next door makes it harder for them to make nuclear weapons in secret.

Not to put too fine a point on it but have you noticed that Iran in fact has a democratically elected government? It is not a liberal democracy but it is a democracy. I doubt that we can expect much better from the government of Iraq.

[shield772]

Well Iraq had elections under Hussein now didn't they, elections don't equal democracy.

[rmnunez]

The oppressive regime of Iran wants no part of a Democratic Iraq

True, as far as it goes. Iran has a great interest in Iraq, their Shia brethren, no interest in democracy though. I'd expect Iran is pleased over Shia ascendancy and disappointed this isn't taking a more fundamentalist form. If the Coalitioneers pullout and the Shia are in precario through terrorism/insurgency, Iran might hope to help the Shia in Iraq and maybe thereby gain a sphere of influence which eventually could turn theocratic.

have you noticed that Iran in fact has a democratically elected government? It is not a liberal democracy but it is a democracy.

Its nominally a democracy, but the atribution of authority there makes it clear the ayatollah is the supreme leader and the head of state is beneath this figure. The election of Talabani is not without suspicion of irregularity. It has been documented the religious leadership in Teheran uses roving gangs of motorcycled machine-gunners to break up democracy advocates in public demonstrations.

I doubt that we can expect much better from the government of Iraq.

I hope they do better in Iraq, but even something similar to Iran would be progress over where they are at just now.

[Rainbow]

Iran calls for US exit from Iraq Mr Talabani (l) has said he expects Iran will help beat insurgents Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has urged the visiting Iraqi president to push for a speedy pullout of foreign troops from his country. The ayatollah also told Jalal Talabani that the US was mainly responsible for widespread violence in Iraq.

This guy is smart, but not smart enough.
Talabani wants to unite all the Shiits against U.S.'s presence in Iraq, which may stop all the pro-democratic movement and/or attempts to create one, along with creating Shiits-lead a national insurection against U.S.
If successful, Iran and Iraq would have the same (or similar) policy, and start the works on developing and/or installing WMD on Iraq's territory.
Pro-Saddam forces would lose, while al-Qaeda is gone (read : exterminated, physically) as well, since it is a threat to Islamic dogmas represented by Iranian governing body.
As the final outcome, Iran replace Saddam and dominates Iraq in almost any field. Soon, we - most likely - enter WWIII for sure.
Maybe Saddam was a "better guy", after all ?

[tinybear]

See? At the first sign of weakness, our enemies jump on us. Iran's probably thinking: Since there's such enormous pressure building up in America for a pullout, why don't we increase that pressure?

[jose]

Quote by: tinybear See? At the first sign of weakness, our enemies jump on us. Iran's probably thinking: Since there's such enormous pressure building up in America for a pullout, why don't we increase that pressure?

At the first sign that Americans begin to understand that maybe the people of Iraq dont want your form of ¨democracy¨ and you should make plans to save some of those brave soldiers stuck there. Iran says ¨dont let the door hit your ass¨

[tinybear]

Why don't we hear what the people of Iraq have to say rather than pack it up and allow those insurgents to blow them up and impose their own form of tyrannical rule on them?

[jose]

Quote by: tinybear Why don't we hear what the people of Iraq have to say rather than pack it up and allow those insurgents to blow them up and impose their own form of tyrannical rule on them?

You STILL cant hear the people of iraq?

[tinybear]

Yeah, I missed the referendum which was free from bombings and maiming and murder and intimidation by the insurgents. Did one take place?

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: shield772 elections don't equal democracy

Heh, we found that out with the election of 2000 in the good ol' USA...

[tinybear]

[mrchris]

Finally somebody stood up to the plate and said something. I thought this day would never come. This has been something that has needed to be done since day 1

[Ghumanto]

Quote by: shield772 Well Iraq had elections under Hussein now didn't they, elections don't equal democracy.

Elections doesn't necessarily mean democracy. Bush and the gang elected by a few ( the Bible belt / arm and oil curtails ).

Iran has something similar .

[jose]

link to photo of the iraqi lady is a hotel in nabraska? http://www.holidaywest.com/iraqlady1.jpg

[RickSp]

Quote by: shield772 Well Iraq had elections under Hussein now didn't they, elections don't equal democracy.

Unlike Iraq, Iran had a tradition of free elections until the US imposed the Shah after a CIA led coup against the elected president Mohammed Mossadegh in 1953.

Even tody Iran's multi-party elections are far freer than most in the Middle East. In many respects Iran's elections are just as free as the US run elections in Iraq.

[Zealot]

Quote by: rcne http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4460430.stm The oppressive regime of Iran wants no part of a Democratic Iraq, it may lead Iranians to question who is being severed by the Iranian government. I still suspect the Iranian elections were rigged away from the moderation that appeared to be gaining strength in Iran. The old men sitting on their religious power in Iran watching the birth of Democracy all around them. - I'd be nervous too.

THIS is good news folks. It means the regime change in Iraq is successful and Iran is getting upset. THey must get us out of there. Yes, I can understand why they want ut to go. Go Bush Go!

[Zealot]

Quote by: tinybear

THank you bear, you got it right! We need more honest pictures like that!

[jose]

Quote by: jose link to photo of the iraqi lady is a hotel in nabraska? http://www.holidaywest.com/iraqlady1.jpg

right clickon the photo then go to the bottom,i´m just asking why the photo is hosted by a hotel site?

Iraqi leaders at a reconciliation conference reached out to the Sunni Arab community by calling for a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces and saying the country's opposition had a "legitimate right" of resistance.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...112200256.html