Cheney aide indicted on 5 counts in CIA leak probe

[shield772]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Then I refer you to this thread: http://www.volconvo.com/forums/thread6471.html Let me quote myself in the topic starter: I have insulted your party and slapped your collective faces with the gauntlet of dishonor! I'll see you there, Republican activist!

Well I belive in all those things and I lead my life with those bedrock beliefs, all of them, I am not a conservative by any means. And if you don't like me because I am a member of a political prty then you are simply put a BIGOT. I respect everyone (untill the dishonor THEMSELVES) I do not pin a collective blame on any one because of the religion race or political affiliation. If the only way you can respond in debate to my positions is by callng me names then your not worthy of my time or notice.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: shield772 And if you don't like me because I am a member of a political prty then you are simply put a BIGOT

I LIKE you... I just don't like your politics... Big difference.

Quote by: shield772 If the only way you can respond in debate to my positions is by callng me names then your not worthy of my time or notice.

And I don't call names, at least not usually. It's mostly POSITIONS I argue against. So if you don't want to argue, I will just kick your nuts freely...

[shield772]

Quote by: PatrickHenry I LIKE you... I just don't like your politics... Big difference. And I don't call names, at least not usually. It's mostly POSITIONS I argue against. So if you don't want to argue, I will just kick your nuts freely...

You can't take that I am a Republican and KNOW my politics, it's a generalization. I have many opinions and positions that difer greatly from the GOP

[Sonart]

Quote by: shield well this is a typical democrat tactic, you took only part of what I said, if your not gonna get involved and all you want to do is whine on a message board then shut up. I am involved everyday, I volunteer, I am a member of the RNC, I sit on my counties Executive commitee, and when I get my degree in Political Science I will be more involved. What are you doing ?

Number one, what the hell does it matter to you? I'm afraid I missed the requirement for a Poli Sci degree and a career as a political activist in order to participate in political discussion? Besides, from what I've seen from you so far, the credentials you've so arrogantly strutted for us haven't improved your rather sophomoric defense of the incompetent peter principle case study currently floundering his way through the fifth year of his disastrous presidency.

As to my "typical democrat tactic", I addressed all of what you said when I stated that we're doing nothing less than the entirety of the national media, regardless of your lectures of how the American legal system works. The real truth is that you've dramatically over-simplified exactly how the American legal system works in order to justify whining that we should all shut up and leave poor Boy Georgie alone -- although I, personally, have not commented one way or the other on this thread regarding the indictments and any possible supsequent indictments.

After all, they started it with their "typical Republican tactic" of character assassination, attempting to discredit a loyal American - and his wife - for blowing the whistle on how Dear Leader and all the president's men deceived us and the world into pursuing an unnecessary and ill-conceived Machiavelian adventure.

And as to what I've done... judging from your implied age, I've undoubtedly volunteered for more campaigns, donated more money, written and aired more editorials, been more activist and most importantly, voted more often, than you and your freshman class combined.

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[shield772]

Quote by: Sonart Number one, what the hell does it matter to you? I'm afraid I missed the requirement for a Poli Sci degree and a career as a political activist in order to participate in political discussion? Besides, from what I've seen from you so far, the credentials you've so arrogantly strutted for us haven't improved your rather sophomoric defense of the incompetent peter principle case study currently floundering his way through the fifth year of his disastrous presidency. As to my "typical democrat tactic", I addressed all of what you said when I stated that we're doing nothing less than the entirety of the national media, regardless of your lectures of how the American legal system works. The real truth is that you've dramatically over-simplified exactly how the American legal system works in order to justify whining that we should all shut up and leave poor Boy Georgie alone -- although I, personally, have not commented one way or the other on this thread regarding the indictments and any possible supsequent indictments. After all, they started it with their "typical Republican tactic" of character assassination, attempting to discredit a loyal American - and his wife - for blowing the whistle on how Dear Leader and all the president's men deceived us and the world into pursuing an unnecessary and ill-conceived Machiavelian adventure. And as to what I've done... judging from your implied age, I've undoubtedly volunteered for more campaigns, donated more money, written and aired more editorials, been more activist and most importantly, voted more often, than you and your freshman class combined. .

Well I'm 37 and have voted often, and worked on many local campaigns because really thats the government that should be most in control domestically. and maybe you have more money than I to give but I give of my time.

[Osborn F Enready]

So do a lot of us, especially on this forum Shield.

I find it hard to believe, though I will if you say it until I have reason to believe otherwise, that you are not a "proud" member of the current GOP since you have stated it in a manner that I interpreted as such.

Both major party platforms are corrupt from the ground up.

[shield772]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready So do a lot of us, especially on this forum Shield. I find it hard to believe, though I will if you say it until I have reason to believe otherwise, that you are not a "proud" member of the current GOP since you have stated it in a manner that I interpreted as such. Both major party platforms are corrupt from the ground up.

I belive in the stated principles of the GOP, not necesarily their political or real world actions. I would like to change the party to be the party of what it actually says. I am an idealist I guess.

[Osborn F Enready]

If you really are, you should start by not giving the current corrupt party any more money, or assistance in spreading their hate.

I am appealing TO ALL democrats and republicans to abandon their parties, ecnomically and with their assistance, until they get the message that they no longer represent their constitutents, the Constitution, or the ideology and economic system that built this nation before they perverted it over the last 157 years.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Guess what judge is appointed to Libby's trial........Hint?
Same one who threw this case out.

FBI Translator Suit Dismissed Over Security Issues From Kevin Bohn CNN Washington Bureau Wednesday, July 7, 2004 Posted: 4:36 PM EDT (2036 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A federal judge dismissed a lawsuit Tuesday by a former FBI translator because the information needed to prove the case was classified and protected by what is known as the "state secrets privilege." In the lawsuit, originally filed in July 2002, Sibel Edmonds alleged that her rights under the Privacy Act and her First and Fifth amendment rights had been violated by the government. Edmonds, who worked as a contract linguist, claimed she was fired after she alerted authorities about purported security and management problems in the bureau's language branch. The Justice Department and the FBI both argued to the court that her lawsuit should be dismissed because much of the information needed to be considered for it was protected by the "state secrets privilege," which is meant to protect classified national security information from being disclosed. U.S. District Court Judge Reggie Walton agreed with the government's position.

Yep, U.S. District Court Judge Reggie Walton , a bush appointee.

Washington Post Libby is expected to appear for arraignment before U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton on Tuesday or Wednesday. Walton was appointed to the federal bench by Bush, and was first appointed to the D.C. Superior Court by President Ronald Reagan.

For more on Judge Reggie B. Walton check this post on KOS


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[Sonart]

Quote by: shield Well I'm 37 and have voted often, and worked on many local campaigns because really thats the government that should be most in control domestically. and maybe you have more money than I to give but I give of my time.

So then, what? Is this, like, a contest? Whoever gives and does the most wins the arguement?

My point was that what we do or don't do in real life is meaningless here. Either you can advance an arguement through logic, reason and evidence, or you can't. As Patrick said, here's my gauntlet... simply bragging about what a classically trained duelist you are doesn't win the duel. Who pokes the most holes in the other guy's arguement does. Follow?

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[shield772]

Quote by: Sonart So then, what? Is this, like, a contest? Whoever gives and does the most wins the arguement? My point was that what we do or don't do in real life is meaningless here. Either you can advance an arguement through logic, reason and evidence, or you can't. As Patrick said, here's my gauntlet... simply bragging about what a classically trained duelist you are doesn't win the duel. Who pokes the most holes in the other guy's arguement does. Follow? .

I follow, I just didn't want the misbelief that I was an 18yo wet behind the ears.

[PatrickHenry]

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/102905A.shtml
or the LA Times if ya' register.

Joe Wilson writes about his experience of being in the crosshairs.

After the two-year smear campaign orchestrated by senior officials in the Bush White House against my wife and me, it is tempting to feel vindicated by Friday's indictment of the vice president's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby. Between us, Valerie and I have served the United States for nearly 43 years. I was President George H. W. Bush's acting ambassador to Iraq in the run-up to the Persian Gulf War, and I served as ambassador to two African nations for him and President Clinton. Valerie worked undercover for the CIA in several overseas assignments and in areas related to terrorism and weapons of mass destruction. But on July 14, 2003, our lives were irrevocably changed. That was the day columnist Robert Novak identified Valerie as an operative, divulging a secret that had been known only to me, her parents and her brother. Valerie told me later that it was like being hit in the stomach. Twenty years of service had gone down the drain. She immediately started jotting down a checklist of things she needed to do to limit the damage to people she knew and to projects she was working on. She wondered how her friends would feel when they learned that what they thought they knew about her was a lie. It was payback - cheap political payback by the administration for an article I had written contradicting an assertion President Bush made in his 2003 State of the Union address. Payback not just to punish me but to intimidate other critics as well. Why did I write the article? Because I believe that citizens in a democracy are responsible for what government does and says in their name. I knew that the statement in Bush's speech - that Iraq had attempted to purchase significant quantities of uranium in Africa - was not true. I knew it was false from my own investigative trip to Africa (at the request of the CIA) and from two other similar intelligence reports. And I knew that the White House knew it. Going public was what was required to make them come clean. The day after I shared my conclusions in a New York Times opinion piece, the White House finally acknowledged that the now-infamous 16 words "did not rise to the level of inclusion in the State of the Union address." That should have been the end. But instead, the president's men - allegedly including Libby and at least one other (known only as "Official A") - were determined to defame and discredit Valerie and me. They used eager allies in Congress and the conservative media, beginning with Novak. Perhaps the most egregious of the attacks was New York GOP Rep. Peter King's odious suggestion that Valerie "got what she deserved." Valerie was an innocent in this whole affair. Although there were suggestions that she was behind the decision to send me to Niger, the CIA told Newsday just a week after the Novak article appeared that "she did not recommend her husband to undertake the Niger assignment." The CIA repeated the same statement to every reporter thereafter. The grand jury has now concluded that at least one of the president's men committed crimes. We are heartened that our system of justice is working and appreciative of the work done by our fellow citizens who devoted two years of their lives to grand jury duty. The attacks on Valerie and me were upsetting, disruptive and vicious. They amounted to character assassination. Senior administration officials used the power of the White House to make our lives hell for the last 27 months. But more important, they did it as part of a clear effort to cover up the lies and disinformation used to justify the invasion of Iraq. That is the ultimate crime.

[RickSp]

What I find so amazing about the current scandal is how closely is follows the events of Watergate. The "second rate burglary" wasn't that big a deal but it cracked open the secrecy, abuse of power and willingness to trample on the rights of Americans by the Nixon administration.

The outing of a CIA agent in order to beat up on a bit player opposed to the lies during the run up to the Vietnam War promises to crack open the organized conspiracy to deceive the American people and Congress on Iraq.

Not only has the Bush administration repeated the mistakes in Iraq that lead to the deaths of 58,000 Americans in Vietnam but it has repeated the same mistakes that brought down the Nixon administration in the Watergate scandal.

The old saying about history repeating is a cliche because, sadly, it is so often true.

Special report: Bush faces his Watergate

Sleaze, leaks and an indictment add up to the worst presidential crisis since Nixon. And it will get worse. The White House has lost one key man but the whole chain of command may be engulfed by a scandal slowly revealing the lies that led to war. It might not appear that way at first. Mr Bush is unlikely to have to join Richard Nixon, the only president in US history forced to resign from office. But the issues raised by "Plamegate" - the leaking of the identity of Valerie Plame, an undercover CIA agent - are far more significant than those involved in the "second-rate burglary" of the Democratic National Committee's offices in Washington's Watergate complex in the 1970s. They go to the heart of why America, and its faithful ally, Britain, went to war in Iraq.

[RickSp]

Cheney 'Authorized' Libby to Leak Classified Information

Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby, testified to a federal grand jury that he had been "authorized" by Cheney and other White House "superiors" in the summer of 2003 to disclose classified information to journalists to defend the Bush administration's use of prewar intelligence in making the case to go to war with Iraq, according to attorneys familiar with the matter, and to court records. Libby specifically claimed that in one instance he had been authorized to divulge portions of a then-still highly classified National Intelligence Estimate regarding Saddam Hussein's purported efforts to develop nuclear weapons, according to correspondence recently filed in federal court by special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald. Beyond what was stated in the court paper, say people with firsthand knowledge of the matter, Libby also indicated what he will offer as a broad defense during his upcoming criminal trial: that Vice President Cheney and other senior Bush administration officials had earlier encouraged and authorized him to share classified information with journalists to build public support for going to war. Later, after the war began in 2003, Cheney authorized Libby to release additional classified information, including details of the NIE, to defend the administration's use of prewar intelligence in making the case for war.