Sheehan Arrested Outside White House

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Rick To their credit the police treated Sheehan and the congressman's wife exactly the same - badly.

Wrong. One was asked to leave. The other was treated like a criminal, roughed up and arrested. BIG difference. The republicans and the media are spinning it the same way you mentioned though. Cindy was held for 4 1/2 hours. Transferred to a second jail somewhere in between. She has an arrest to her credit.

The other had her pride hurt but was free to go anywhere she wanted. Big Difference.

Quote by: Ape You'll note that I used the term "rule", not "law". The rule was being enforced

Is that "rule" posted somewhere? For law enforcement to make an arrest for a thought crime, it must be made clear, in legal terms what is an incorrect thought. If it is illegal for a shirt to be both for and/or against a war in the Capital building, Can you show me that rule?

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: Zeebadee I disagree. Similar to bush, Nixon was reelected in the middle of the war. I believe that without the strident and "in your face" attitude of the protest movement that war would have gone on much longer. It's going to take a major effort to get the media to devote some decent coverage to the anti-war movement. Look at the bushbots in here.... no amount of talk or recitation of facts will ever convince them that bush is wrong. If bush won't pull our troops out voluntarily, it will take a 60's type effort to effect change.

Perhaps, but I think different times call for different strategies. I don't think the Nixon supporters back then would be so inclined to treat support for Bush as a borderline religion as it is today. We'll see, but in any case I hope something works.

[Clarence]

Quote by: Scribbler1 Perhaps, but I think different times call for different strategies. .

right on. We are sitting here letting Cindy Sheehan do all the work, currently. She can only do so much plus we have to make sure not to paint her as some modern day saint. We'd be setting her up to fall. I think that it's time to spread a more moderate perspective on the current events. The Group Think of the world is getting out of control. Cold Wars are heating up again. Artificially inflated economies are looking like Macy parade floating superheroes. It's time for us, that only desire to live until we die, to do something that compliments Sheehan's efforts.

[Clarence]

Quote by: Scribbler1 It was her choice of venue. Remember I'm talking about how other people see her and middle america types don't like that. The shirt itself was actually pretty mild, but that isn't the point. Remember the slogan, "you don't have to respect the man but you should respect the office?" It's bullshit but a LOT of people believe it. You want mom and pop to sympathize with your point? Don't annoy them by disrespecting what many still think is an important occasion.

my sentiments exactly. The woman is a good-natured flake and it is irresponsible of us to lay too much of our cause on her shoulders. Just being there would have been an effective statementon her part. Not to excuse the Gestapo, or anything. Think middle america. I agree Scrib

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: Clarence right on. We are sitting here letting Cindy Sheehan do all the work, currently. She can only do so much plus we have to make sure not to paint her as some modern day saint.

Truthfully, I'm worried that she may be becoming seduced by the attention she has been given. I trust this doesn't happen but she is starting to sound like a leader and I doubt she's prepared for that.

It's time for us, that only desire to live until we die, to do something that compliments Sheehan's efforts.

I feel this is accomplished one person at a time on a personal level, and not just now. We SHOULD have started doing that years ago. We already tried the 60's approach and it got protesters herded into chain-link cages and the people weren't even annoyed about that, let alone outraged as I was. That alone should amply demonstrate the tactics of 40 years ago will not work. If you and I convince people to at least educate themselves about the way things SHOULD be, we have convinced two measly people. Big deal, right? But then THOSE two talk to two and on and on. Other than that we have two options available to us. Peaceful protest, which so far has been less than successful and armed revolution, which will result in a lot of death, bulging jails and a military made up of our friends and neighbors who will be forced to make choices they shouldn't have to.

[underbear1]

Capitol police offered both Cindy and Beverly apologies today, that they neither broke a rule, nor a law.

Cindy should have taken the oppurtunity to apologise too,
"I'm sorry the country is being led by an idiot son of an a$$hole!"

[Apeman81]

Quote by: underbear1 Capitol police offered both Cindy and Beverly apologies today, that they neither broke a rule, nor a law. Cindy should have taken the oppurtunity to apologise too, "I'm sorry the country is being led by an idiot son of an a$$hole!"

How about if she were to apologize for dishonoring her son, who volunteered to serve his country, by using his death as her launching point into this narcissistic search for attention.

How about the press, desperate for any "news" that puts a negative spin on the war, apologize for enabling this woman to embarass herself on worlwide TV.

How about the California Representative that effectively said "Screw you" to all the other Mothers of soldiers that have died in this war that don't dishonor their children make a small apology?

[RickSp]

Quote by: Apeman81 How about if she were to apologize for dishonoring her son, who volunteered to serve his country, by using his death as her launching point into this narcissistic search for attention. How about the press, desperate for any "news" that puts a negative spin on the war, apologize for enabling this woman to embarass herself on worlwide TV. How about the California Representative that effectively said "Screw you" to all the other Mothers of soldiers that have died in this war that don't dishonor their children make a small apology?

Yawn. I've noticed right wingers like to beat up on women. They went ape-shit, so to speak, over Hanoi Jane, then got silly over Hillary and now want to slap Cindy around. Pathetic. And you got a lot of nerve presuming to intrude on a mother's grief. How many more sons and daughters will die in a needless war for the glory of King Fucking George while the right wingers insult their families?

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: RickSp Yawn. I've noticed right wingers like to beat up on women. They went ape-shit, so to speak, over Hanoi Jane, then got silly over Hillary and now want to slap Cindy around. Pathetic. And you got a lot of nerve presuming to intrude on a mother's grief. How many more sons and daughters will die in a needless for the glory of King Fucking George while the right wingers insult their families?

I'm struck by the idea that there wouldn't BE any dead soldiers from the Iraq war to dishonor if Bush hadn't STARTED it in the first place.

But you must be fair to the right. Since there is almost nothing they can defend about pretty much ANYTHING Bush has done all that's left is to attack the critics.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Scribbler1 I'm struck by the idea that there wouldn't BE any dead soldiers from the Iraq war to dishonor if Bush hadn't STARTED it in the first place. But you must be fair to the right. Since there is almost nothing they can defend about pretty much ANYTHING Bush has done all that's left is to attack the critics.

A chilling thought.

Twenty two hundred fewer dead, twenty thousand fewer maimed or crippled soldiers and a spare $2 trillion or so dollars if only Bush had not started this war of choice. The US might even have gone after AlQaeda instead of Saddam. The world might have been safer rather than more dangerous.

[gr8fuldaniel]

They hauled off the wrong criminal.

In fact they arrested a witness and let the perps go free.

[Clarence]

...and most don't even know yet.

[Apeman81]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...013101521.html

"She was also vocal, said U.S. Capitol Police Chief Terrance W. Gainer, and after she ignored instructions to close her jacket and quiet down, she was led out and arrested. Demonstrating in the House gallery is prohibited."


http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/31/sheehan.arrest/

"She was asked to cover it up. She did not," said Sgt. Kimberly Schneider, U.S. Capitol Police spokeswoman.

House rules bar demonstrations in the galleries.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060201/..._union_sheehan

Schneider said Sheehan had worn a T-shirt with an anti-war slogan to the speech and covered it up until she took her seat. Police warned her that such displays were not allowed, but she did not respond, the spokeswoman said.

Police handcuffed Sheehan and removed her from the gallery before Bush arrived. Sheehan was to be released on her own recognizance, Schneider said.
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But we should believe only the words of cindy

[Scribbler1]

So why did they apologize then? A fair question since you maintain the cops were 100% in the right, wouldn't you say?

As usual, the real truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: Scribbler1 So why did they apologize then? A fair question since you maintain the cops were 100% in the right, wouldn't you say? As usual, the real truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

Her removal from the gallery was legit and in keeping with house standards and practices. The apology was for the subsequent arrest.

No matter what this woman may have done to precipitate her arrest, there exists no viable way to receive anything but bad press for charging her with anything. She has become, through her own narcissism and the willingness of the press to give her undue attention, a figurehead for a vocal minority portion of society.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: Apeman81 No matter what this woman may have done to precipitate her arrest, there exists no viable way to receive anything but bad press for charging her with anything. She has become, through her own narcissism and the willingness of the press to give her undue attention, a figurehead for a vocal minority portion of society.

I don't agree with you 100% but I don't completely disagree either. I think it would be a tall order for anyone to not have all that attention and press coverage change them. I hope she stays grounded as her message is a correct one and I think the message is what we should focus on rather than any one person.

[RickSp]

So the charge was that she was "vocal" after being wrongly told to leave. Of course she was vocal. How else could she communicate? Sign language? She was invited by a congressmen and she ousted for wearing at t-shirt beneath her jacket. It was a bullshit bust and Capital Police said as much.

Of course the right wingers keep wanting to beat up women who refuse to keep their mouths shut, but that is the right wing's problem. The punks should be ashamed.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Apeman ..........a figurehead for a vocal minority portion of society

Where the hell have YOU been? The MAJORITY has been oppsed to this war for over a year now.

LINK Gallup: More Than Half of Americans Feel Bush Deliberately Misled Country on Iraq WMD By E&P Staff Published: February 03, 2006 1:40 PM ET A new Gallup Poll, conducted in late January, reveals that just 39% of Americans approve of the way President Bush is handling Iraq, with 58% disapproving. Over half (53%) now say the administration "deliberately misled the American public about whether Iraq has weapons of mass destruction," with 46% disagreeing. Gallup notes that this finding is "essentially reversed" from one year ago.

Link Below is a short list of reasons why poll after poll show that a clear MAJORITY of U.S. citizens want us out of Iraq. Remember the personality tests that say if you answer "yes" to certain number of questions than you could be labeled a certain personality type? Well, try this out. If you agree with two or more of the following reasons, consider yourself in opposition to the war in Iraq and a member of the MAJORITY, and then consider the suggestions at the end of the column. 1) The human costs of the war is tragic. The number of U.S. military personal who have died is now more than 2,239 and the number of injured is nearly 16,450. This does not include those who have died outside of Iraq as a result of their injuries sustained while stationed in Iraq. Then we need to consider the Iraqi civilians who have been killed since the invasion - the estimates vary from 30,000 to 100,000. The figures are frightening, though they cannot convey the impact on our families, friends and communities. And for what? No weapons of mass destruction, no ties to the terrorists of 9/11 or Al-Queda and no threat to the United States. [continue]

Only those who feel good about sacrificing other peoples loved ones to a bloody end, for their own profit; feel good about this war

[Keith Hamburger]

Quote by: Scribbler1 Who put this man in office, twice? Figure that out and you know who do go after.

Uh, Diebold?

Keith

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: Keith Hamburger Uh, Diebold? Keith

Okay, you got me. But who closes their eyes whenever a situation like that arises? It all comes back to the sheep who have about as much an idea of how to live in a participatory form of government as the Palestinians do.