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Nono · Sep 1, 2005, 09:11 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4205074.stm

Quote:

The evacuation of stranded hurricane victims from New Orleans' Superdome stadium has been suspended after shots were fired at a rescue helicopter.
A spokesman for the Louisiana ambulance service told the BBC the crowd had grown unruly and he was concerned for the safety of his staff.

He said a national guard had been shot, but he had not been seriously injured.

There are widespread reports of looting in flood-stricken New Orleans. The mayor has ordered a full evacuation.

Yep.

**Chris** · Sep 1, 2005, 09:24 am

Ghetto mofos!

**Sean** · Sep 1, 2005, 09:29 am

Yes, I saw this yesterday...ridiculous. Glad they are sending 10,000 guardsmen there. Stuff like this brings the worst in some people.

Libertarian · Sep 1, 2005, 03:08 pm

On cnn.com a breaking news headline is:

"New Orleans hospital halts patient evacuations after coming under sniper fire, a doctor who witnessed the incident says. More soon."

jose · Sep 1, 2005, 03:24 pm

these people were desperate before the deluge, there more desperate now, the city is gone let them take what they can salvage from lake dubya

PatrickHenry · Sep 1, 2005, 03:27 pm

Law and order is important, jose. Otherwise the Law of the Jungle rules, and that is a very bad code. It means the strong survive by targeting the weak or helpless.

KingRobert · Sep 1, 2005, 07:23 pm

Without Law and Order, humanity reverts to what Thomas Hobbes called the "State of Nature" or simply put, anarchy. There is no way around it.

Libertarian · Sep 1, 2005, 10:37 pm

And anarchy will get this country and the hurricane struck area nowhere. Now we need law and order, not a free-for-all.

arlogirl · Sep 1, 2005, 10:55 pm

I'm sure people and everything else will be crawling out of the city for weeks. Fortunately, today brought in the first large number of guards and law enforcement volunteers. I believe there are still some dry or dryer areas because Tuesday morning I was still able to get through on a landline to a bar on Magazine St., about a mile from the French Quarter going towards the Uptown and Garden District.

Unfortunately, that person told me my mother was still in the city. And at that point I believe the 17th St. levee had just broken.

Anyhow, the people who are left in New Orleans are mostly the ones who really have nothing to lose. It is the impoverished who were least able to leave.

tinybear · Sep 1, 2005, 11:43 pm

Gee, I wonder what the motive for the shooting is.

tinybear · Sep 2, 2005, 12:27 am

New Orleans Mayor Issues 'Desperate SOS'

By ADAM NOSSITER
NEW ORLEANS (AP) - Storm victims were raped and beaten, fights and fires broke out, corpses lay out in the open, and rescue helicopters and law enforcement officers were shot at as flooded-out New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday. ``This is a desperate SOS,'' the mayor said.

Anger mounted across the ruined city, with thousands of storm victims increasingly hungry, desperate and tired of waiting for buses to take them out.

``We are out here like pure animals. We don't have help,'' the Rev. Issac Clark, 68, said outside the New Orleans Convention Center, where corpses lay in the open and other evacuees complained that they were dropped off and given nothing - no food, no water, no medicine.

About 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at the convention center to await buses grew increasingly hostile. Police Chief Eddie Compass said he sent in 88 officers to quell the situation at the building, but they were quickly beaten back by an angry mob.

``We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten,'' Compass said. ``Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon.''

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/...no&floc=NW_1-T

Does anyone still think we don't need aid?

jose · Sep 2, 2005, 04:07 am

"They've been teasing us with buses for four days," Edwards said. "They're telling us they're going to come get us one day, and then they don't show up."

Every so often, an armored state police vehicle cruised in front of the convention center with four or five officers in riot gear with automatic weapons. But there was no sign of help from the National Guard.

At one point the crowd began to chant "We want help! We want help!" Later, a woman, screaming, went on the front steps of the convention center and led the crowd in reciting the 23rd Psalm, "The Lord is my shepherd ..."

"We are out here like pure animals," the Issac Clark said.

"We've got people dying out here — two babies have died, a woman died, a man died," said Helen Cheek. "We haven't had no food, we haven't had no water, we haven't had nothing. They just brought us here and dropped us."

Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Mich., said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, "'Go to hell — it's every man for himself.'"

"This is just insanity," she said. "We have no food, no water ... all these trucks and buses go by and they do nothing but wave."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/hurricane...NlYwMlJVRPUCUl
I donated to american red cross days ago if i´d known the people wouldnt get that help i wouldn´t have bothered

Sep 1, 2005, 09:24 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Chris Gamma-ray burst Location: Nashville Posts: 6,355	Ghetto mofos! I'm voting against the theocratic psychopaths Shared

Sep 1, 2005, 09:29 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Sean former overlord Location: New York Posts: 2,383	Yes, I saw this yesterday...ridiculous. Glad they are sending 10,000 guardsmen there. Stuff like this brings the worst in some people. So it goes

Sep 1, 2005, 03:08 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Libertarian Thats Me Location: Where Am I Again?!?! Posts: 177	On cnn.com a breaking news headline is: "New Orleans hospital halts patient evacuations after coming under sniper fire, a doctor who witnessed the incident says. More soon." "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." – John Adams

Sep 1, 2005, 03:27 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,446	Law and order is important, jose. Otherwise the Law of the Jungle rules, and that is a very bad code. It means the strong survive by targeting the weak or helpless. "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Sep 1, 2005, 07:23 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
KingRobert Victor of Crusades Posts: 2	Without Law and Order, humanity reverts to what Thomas Hobbes called the "State of Nature" or simply put, anarchy. There is no way around it. Not all who wander are lost- JRR Tolkien

Sep 1, 2005, 03:24 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
jose Volcanic Erupter Location: España Posts: 2,608	these people were desperate before the deluge, there more desperate now, the city is gone let them take what they can salvage from lake dubya

Sep 1, 2005, 10:37 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Libertarian Thats Me Location: Where Am I Again?!?! Posts: 177	And anarchy will get this country and the hurricane struck area nowhere. Now we need law and order, not a free-for-all. "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." – John Adams

Sep 1, 2005, 10:55 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
arlogirl Sedimentary Rock Posts: 4	I'm sure people and everything else will be crawling out of the city for weeks. Fortunately, today brought in the first large number of guards and law enforcement volunteers. I believe there are still some dry or dryer areas because Tuesday morning I was still able to get through on a landline to a bar on Magazine St., about a mile from the French Quarter going towards the Uptown and Garden District. Unfortunately, that person told me my mother was still in the city. And at that point I believe the 17th St. levee had just broken. Anyhow, the people who are left in New Orleans are mostly the ones who really have nothing to lose. It is the impoverished who were least able to leave.

Sep 1, 2005, 11:43 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,085	Gee, I wonder what the motive for the shooting is.

Sep 2, 2005, 12:27 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,085	New Orleans Mayor Issues 'Desperate SOS' By ADAM NOSSITER NEW ORLEANS (AP) - Storm victims were raped and beaten, fights and fires broke out, corpses lay out in the open, and rescue helicopters and law enforcement officers were shot at as flooded-out New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday. ``This is a desperate SOS,'' the mayor said. Anger mounted across the ruined city, with thousands of storm victims increasingly hungry, desperate and tired of waiting for buses to take them out. ``We are out here like pure animals. We don't have help,'' the Rev. Issac Clark, 68, said outside the New Orleans Convention Center, where corpses lay in the open and other evacuees complained that they were dropped off and given nothing - no food, no water, no medicine. About 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at the convention center to await buses grew increasingly hostile. Police Chief Eddie Compass said he sent in 88 officers to quell the situation at the building, but they were quickly beaten back by an angry mob. ``We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten,'' Compass said. ``Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon.'' http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/...no&floc=NW_1-T Does anyone still think we don't need aid?

Sep 2, 2005, 04:07 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
jose Volcanic Erupter Location: España Posts: 2,608	"They've been teasing us with buses for four days," Edwards said. "They're telling us they're going to come get us one day, and then they don't show up." Every so often, an armored state police vehicle cruised in front of the convention center with four or five officers in riot gear with automatic weapons. But there was no sign of help from the National Guard. At one point the crowd began to chant "We want help! We want help!" Later, a woman, screaming, went on the front steps of the convention center and led the crowd in reciting the 23rd Psalm, "The Lord is my shepherd ..." "We are out here like pure animals," the Issac Clark said. "We've got people dying out here — two babies have died, a woman died, a man died," said Helen Cheek. "We haven't had no food, we haven't had no water, we haven't had nothing. They just brought us here and dropped us." Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Mich., said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, "'Go to hell — it's every man for himself.'" "This is just insanity," she said. "We have no food, no water ... all these trucks and buses go by and they do nothing but wave." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/hurricane...NlYwMlJVRPUCUl I donated to american red cross days ago if i´d known the people wouldnt get that help i wouldn´t have bothered