Israeli bus killer lynched by mob

[jose]

[quote=shrike

Give me a breake do you really consider it a credible source.And why he not spoked earlier and not after three years so this incedent could be properly invistigated.anyway i am dont deny that some things happen but like i said there is no policy to kill civilians on purpose.
Btw BBC is known for their anti-Israeli bias[/QUOTE]
well the BBC is usually considered a credible source and so is wikipedia
and the wikipedia went on to say about qibla
Initially, via the heavily censored media, the Israeli public was left unaware of the attack. On October 19, Ben-Gurion claimed, knowingly about the truth, that the massacre was carried out by Israeli settlers close to the borders.

None deplores it more than the Government of Israel, if ... innocent blood was spilled ... The Government of Israel rejects with all vigor the absurd and fantastic allegation that 600 men of the IDF took part in the action ... We have carried out a searching investigation and it is clear beyond doubt that not a single army unit was absent from its base on the night of the attack on Qibya. ("Statement by Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion", ISA FM 2435/5)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya_massacre

[jose]

shrike i hope this link is useful for you http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART/941/849.html

[shrike]

Again you provided me no Proof that Sharon knew that there is civilians in those houses i am on the contrary made a logical arguement that Sharon assumed that all of the villagers are fled and 60 people that hiding inside house is very hard to spot

well the BBC is usually considered a credible source

Here is a several links to start with
http://www.bbcwatch.com/
http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/
http://www.bbcbias.org/index.html

[shrike]

shrike i hope this link is useful for you http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART/941/849.html

Again if its true i hope the responsible for that will be prosecuted and stand justice for their crimes

[bishop]

without getting into your random defensive shrike, everything i'm seeing from you is nothing more than an apologist's behavior. you justify every single act of state-sponsored terrorism, isreali terrorism, in the same exact way that the palestinians justify their own terrorism. *we wouldn't kill them, destroy their homes and destroy their farmland if they didn't use it to attack us.* that's some denial right there, with a capital "D".

israelis and palestinians are just two sides of the same coin.

[shrike]

without getting into your random defensive shrike, everything i'm seeing from you is nothing more than an apologist's behavior. you justify every single act of state-sponsored terrorism, isreali terrorism, in the same exact way that the palestinians justify their own terrorism. *we wouldn't kill them, destroy their homes and destroy their farmland if they didn't use it to attack us.* that's some denial right there, with a capital "D".

Maybe you have some magic military tactics that only hurt terrorists and don't hurt civilians?

[bishop]

the scumbags in the IDF have regularly fired into crowds of civilian protesters.. no surprise that there have been so many civilian deaths on the palestinian side. the israelis have committed so many "tiananmen squares" that i've lost count. being an apologist for terrorism, no matter if it's state-sponsored or religiously motivated, is despicable. you guys are dirt, they are dirt.. my only hope is that you thick headed people get so tired of constant war and death that you begin acting like human beings towards each other.

[jose]

Quote by: shrike Here is a several links to start with http://www.bbcwatch.com/ http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/ http://www.bbcbias.org/index.html

the first link is to a site owned by trevor asserson on his site it states. Trevor Asserson is a UK solicitor based in London. He is a partner in an International law firm. He was called to the Israeli Bar in 1992.
the secound is someones blog spot
the third is owned by john de roeck of the UKIP political party (330 votes)
interesting stuff, :)

[shrike]

the scumbags in the IDF have regularly fired into crowds of civilian protesters.. no surprise that there have been so many civilian deaths on the palestinian side

Like i said there is a mistakes and wrong decisions those accidents happen in war especially a long one(statistically).There is no such thing like clean wars but Palestinians chose the way of violence not Israel.

[bishop]

heh.. what a war.. more often than not, the mighty IDF is poised up against civilian protestors. and your brave soldiers regularly fire upon them. scores have been killed by rubber bullets, let alone regular small arms fire, airstrikes and tank shells..

both you and the palestinians have chosen the way of violence. like i said, you're both dirt terrorist apologists..

[righthand]

they've done things like execute 95 year old women, demolish their homes, destroy their farmland

Quote by: shrike Israel don't demolish homes of simple civilians but of terrorist and suicide bomber

July 28 2005 Israel/Occupied Territories: Amnesty International condemns discriminatory laws passed by the Israeli Knesset http://www.amnestyusa.org/countries...025704C005459AD ...According to the new Civil Torts (Liability of the State) Law, some three and a half million Palestinians who live under Israeli military occupation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip are considered "residents of a conflict zone". As such, they are denied the right to claim compensation for death, injury, or damage to property inflicted on them by Israeli forces. The law, which applies retroactively to incidents going back to September 2000, applies only to Palestinians – not to Israelis who reside in the Occupied Territories in violation of international law....Its effect will be to deny a fundamental right to victims such as the ten children of Noha Maqadmeh, who became orphans and were rendered homeless after their pregnant mother was killed in her bed when her home collapsed as Israeli soldiers blew up a neighbouring house in the al-Bureij refugee camp in the Gaza Strip on 3 March 2003. Six nearby houses were also destroyed in the blast, leaving some 90 other people homeless and now with no prospect of any reparation for the wrong done to them. http://www.volconvo.com/forums/showt...471#post148471

So you only knock down the home of any innocent woman, killing her in her bed, and leaving ten children orphans. Now, last week, you pass the new Civil Torts (Liability of the State) Law, a piece of law that Hitler would have been proud of and in violation of international law. Not only does it give no prospect of any reparation for the wrong done to them, it is RETROSPECTIVLY. Tell me of a worse piece of law passed anywhere. Maybe the other law passed inhibiting 'mixed' marriages passed the same day is worse. You decide.

AMNESTY. An amendment to the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law (Family Reunification Law) was also approved by 59 Israeli lawmakers on 27 July. It bars family unification for Israelis who are married to Palestinian women aged under 25 and to Palestinian men aged under 35. This law discriminates explicitly against Palestinians and also implicitly against Palestinian citizens of Israel, who constitute some 20 percent of the Israel's population, and against Palestinian Jerusalemites, as it is they almost exclusively who marry Palestinians from the Occupied Territories. This law formally institutionalizes a form of racial discrimination based on ethnicity or nationality. As such, it violates the absolute prohibition on discrimination set out in international human rights law,... Israel has ratified all of these treaties and is obliged to implement them. http://www.amnestyusa.org/countries...025704C005459AD

ISRAEL IS RACIST. How long will the US support a blatantly racist state-let???

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[jose]

How long will the US support a blatantly racist state-let???
as long as funds from israeli firsters continue to flow to the politicians/whores

[bishop]

talk about being a welfare state.. nobody beats mighty israel in that regard.

i don't see what they've done for us that makes them deserve all that we do for them.. they should just count their blessings, because imo, one day we are eventually going to cut the umbilical cord.

[righthand]

Quote by: bishop talk about being a welfare state.. nobody beats mighty israel in that regard. i don't see what they've done for us that makes them deserve all that we do for them.. they should just count their blessings, because imo, one day we are eventually going to cut the umbilical cord.

Speaking of umbilical cords and welfare state check out...

[center]Threat to Divest Is Church Tool in Israeli Fight http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/06/n....html?th&emc=th By LAURIE GOODSTEIN ...Published: August 6, 2005[/center] Quote NYT - The Presbyterian Church U.S.A. announced Friday that it would press four American corporations to stop providing military equipment and technology to Israel for use in the occupation of the Palestinian territories, and that if the companies did not comply, the church would take a vote to divest its stock in them.

Now an E-mail that I received.

July 4, 2005 Dear Friend of Israel, This weekend, the United Church of Christ voted on divestment from Israel. Other prominent churches are looking at divestment, including the 77-million-member Anglican church. Divestment is worse than a simple boycott -- it is an expression of hate. Our petition against divestment http://jpost.m.xtenit.com/ct.jsp?uz1375377Biz923941 already has more than 7,000 names. But our goal is to collect more than 10,000. Mainline church leaders must get a strong message: Economic attacks on Israel are unjust and must stop. Help us send the message that Israel's enemies can't ignore: http://jpost.m.xtenit.com/ct.jsp?uz1375377Biz923941 Anti-Semitism by "mainline" Christians will not be tolerated. George W. Mamo Executive Director, Stand for Israel

Self explanatory!

[bishop]

those dipshits have used the anti-semitism line like the boy who cried wolf.. they use those lines to make people feel ashamed for wrongs committed against jews in the past - hoping that we'll all excuse the israeli's for committing terrorism on a nearly daily basis.. maybe if they could change their "terroristic" ways, people would have a different opinion of them.

i had nothing to do with the nazis or anything anti-semitic... they can burn for all i care.. i saw this post about the church in another thread.. i commend that church for their actions, rather than evangelical churches who suck isreal's teet because they think that they're going to be on the winning side of armageddon. it's great to see NGO's take action against israel, especially since our political system is so ridiculously corrupt with AIPAC campaign contributions.

[Trotsky]

But you can't critcise Israel....thats anti-semetic!..............sorry about the laughter.

I feel sorry for Jews who are actually the victim of hate crimes and other anti-semetic behaviour, their pain and suffering is diminished by the behaviour of everybody who claims and supports the claim that any criticism of Israel is anti-semetic. I also feel disgusted by claims from certain groups such as the Jewish defense league et al who liken the terrorist attacks in Israel to the Holocaust in 1933-45. It diminishes the memory of the 6+ million innocent Jews murdered and the sacrifices made by some to help others survive.

[righthand]

Quote by: shrike He will not receive Military funeral and not because he is a deserter (i am not sure in deserts entitled for that) but because he is a terrorist so he will be buried in civil cemetery http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...123087,00.html So your argument is void. Yes anyone who kills on purpose because of Ideology civilian population is terrorist according to my definition. I don't know what are talking about Sharon has never gave order to kill civilian population on purpose.

He's the only serving politician with an outstanding warrant for war crimes. There's an outstanding warrant for his arrest for war crimes in Belgium

Is Ariel Sharon a war criminal? http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_current_sharon.php
1953: The Raid on Qibya
1982: Sabra and Shatila Massacres
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_196...ra_shatila.php

"Sharon was forced to resign his post as Defense Minister and faced widespread public opprobrium that nearly ended his political career. Sharon is still asking for release of all classified documents from the Kahan Commission, saying he would be vindicated if they were released."

Shicke, this was put together quickly for now. I notice you have disappeared. I didn't want an untruth left unanswered awaiting your return. Next you'll tell me Israel didn't murder 34 US service men on the 'USS Liberty'? Do tell us the real reason why you did it. Go on, tell, You'll be better for it. We'd all love to know the REAL reason. It just doesn't make sense. Armageddon?
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I'll be back to you on the "So your argument is void" bit. UNTRUE! OK!

[righthand]

Quote by: Trotsky But you can't criticize Israel....thats anti-semitic!..............sorry about the laughter.

"But you can't criticize Israel....thats anti-semitic!" and you don't need to go out side this forum to see the truth of this!!!

US calls for restraint after Israelis kill five Palestinians
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...icle308285.ece
By Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem ...Published: 26 August 2005

In a separate development the army acknowledged last night after an internal investigation that the killings of four Israel Arabs by an extreme right-wing army deserter earlier this month had exposed "gaps and deficiencies" in contacts between intelligence and the Israel Defence Forces. While insisting that a better flow of information would probably not have prevented the killings in Shfaram, the report said that information about the extremist Eden Natan Zada had not been "analysed correctly". The killer's desertion with an M-16 rifle was not fully reported by the army to the intelligence agency Shin Bet. The Palestinians were shot dead in Tulkarum after a military undercover unit went into a café with the aim of arresting two wanted Islamic Jihad militants. The army said the unit came under fire from two directions.

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The Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas, urged the armed factions "not to respond to provocations by Israel so as not to give it a pretext to escalate its aggression ... and avoid implementation of commitments under the road map." Palestinian witnesses said three of the dead men were unarmed teenagers with no known record of activity in the armed factions, while two others were respectively members of the Fatah-linked al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade and of Islamic Jihad. Israeli security sources said that all five were part of the "Islamic Jihad terrorist infrastructure".

[shrike]

US calls for restraint after Israelis kill five Palestinians

You meant terrorist of course

Five Palestinians were killed and two others injured in an Israeli raid in the West Bank. It is the first Israeli raid since the Israeli withdrawal from the settlements of Gaza and north of the West Bank. Al-Jazeera TV said that the four killed men are from the Islamic Jihad movement, noting that two others were injured when a special Israeli force broke by a car carrying false Palestinian plates into a house in Toulkarem. The correspondent added that the Israeli army called on the liaison officers in the Palestinian authority to receive the five bodies. He confirmed that the men are Adel Abu Khalil, and Majdi Ayeyah from al-Aqsa martyrs group while the identity of the other killed men was not specified. The Israeli raid came hours after the killing of one American Jew extremist in Jerusalem at the hands of one Palestinian. The Israeli police sources said that the attack which took place inside the walls of the old city was due to political motives, noting that the security forces is in looking for the attacker.

SOURCE
But here is interting article about Palestinian witness credability\

The unreliability of Palestinian sources has long undermined the integrity of Mideast media coverage. In April 2002, Palestinian 'eyewitness' reports of an Israeli 'massacre' and 'mass graves' in Jenin were immediately transmitted and amplified around the world, but were later proven to be completely false

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[righthand]

US calls for restraint after Israelis kill five Palestinians

Quote by: shrike You meant terrorist of course

shrike, I would have thought that you had enough enemies or conflict without going out of you way to deliberately create conflict. If this was a mistake by you then I will gladly accept your apology. If it was your intent to deliberately misunderstand then in the words of that joker "Bring it On".

US calls for restraint after Israelis kill five Palestinians is the direct quote headline from the source that I gave. I did it in the accepted format used and advocated by 'Sean'. Here is my original again ...

US calls for restraint after Israelis kill five Palestinians http://news.independent.co.uk/world...ticle308285.ece By Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem ...Published: 26 August 2005 In a separate development the army acknowledged last night after an internal investigation that the killings of four Israel Arabs by an extreme right-wing army deserter earlier this month had exposed "gaps and deficiencies" in contacts between intelligence and the Israel Defence Forces. While insisting that a better flow of information would probably not have prevented the killings in Shfaram, the report said that information about the extremist Eden Natan Zada had not been "analysed correctly". The killer's desertion with an M-16 rifle was not fully reported by the army to the intelligence agency Shin Bet. The Palestinians were shot dead in Tulkarum after a military undercover unit went into a café with the aim of arresting two wanted Islamic Jihad militants. The army said the unit came under fire from two directions.

Your adding of "You meant terrorist of course" to my quote from the newspaper is a CHEAP TRICK.




A lot of time and effort is wasted in sorting minor "sticks and stones" crap on this forum. To my mind, the SUBVERSION of the Forum by persons with an AGENDA to destroy open debate is MUCH more serious than any other sin.

I am a convinced believer in 'Latest News' and was a regular contributor. After Documents Show State Department Warned Clinton About Bin Laden I replied #7 at length. apart included...

How many were conned by this plant by fox news. [CENTER]I DO NOT EXPECT TO GET CONNED BY VOLCONVO 'LATEST NEWS' [/CENTER] I VALUE 'Latest News' HIGHLY. It's a GREAT idea. I'd bet that I got the detail of the format wrong more than most. Maybe I use it more than most. It has been said. All but once, I was wrong and learnt. Onetime I used Reuters and went to Miscellaneous. I would not dream of putting into the Forum any story that I had suspicions of, never mind into 'Latest News'. Then this. I fell very bad about this abuse of 'Latest News'.

As nothing was done, I regard 'Latest New' for now as TAINTED News and have posted NO NEW threads.

At the same time a maybe spoof about bush being indited went from Politics to Misc. Also a thread in 'Latest' that I 'Reported' - my first time - disappeared as if it had never appeared. Nobody replied to my PM. My Reuters story was the first thread on Cindy Sheehan. It was later elevated to Politics. It was a most enduring thread.

Five Palestinians killed in an Israeli raid on Toulkarem Palestine-Israel, Military, 8/25/2005 Five Palestinians were killed and two others injured in an Israeli raid in the West Bank. It is the first Israeli raid since the Israeli withdrawal from the settlements of Gaza and north of the West Bank.

I have NO information as to the circumstances of these men's death. I suspicion is that they were EXECUTED like the murder of the Brazilian. There is NO evidence that they were involved in terrorist activity at the time of their execution. My suspicion is they died for the misplaced pain of the illegal settlers being moved to another illegal site at US taxpayers expense. This is my opinion based on experience and observation.

By Donald Macintyre ...in Jerusalem ...03 June 2005 "We killed police for revenge, Israeli soldiers confess" Two Israeli soldiers have come forward to describe how they took part in what they say was an officially ordered "revenge" operation to kill Palestinian police officers ­ among them several unarmed men. In graphic testimony, one soldier has confessed that he "really enjoyed" a chase in which he shot an unarmed Palestinian in the head who was trying to escape during a series of reprisal raids ordered the day after the killing of six Israeli soldiers in an ambush by militant gunmen three years ago. ...The soldier, from the Yael Reconnaissance Troop, said that their [naval] squad commander had told them: " We are going to kill six Palestinian policemen somewhere, revenging our six they took down". He added: "On my question 'what did they do?' the answer was there was a suspicion that the terrorist who killed our six came through that [Palestinian] checkpoint. Suspicion, but no concrete evidence. But I was told: 'it doesn't matter; they took six of ours, and we are going to take six of theirs.'"

I can you e-mail a copy of this very lengthy report. I keep a copy of everything that I use.

You owe us now to come clean on what you know of this Wolf in Sheep Clothing Source {WSCS}. Did you know they were a disguise jewish source disguised as Arabic.

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Suppose when England was pulling out, it believed it could solve an other problem of its own at the expense of Irish. This notion isn't preposterous. England left the start of a civil war in EVERY (except one) country that it vacated. So in addition to the one that they left for Ireland they also decided a different future for an additional two or three counties. The first Gulf war is a sequel to a similar division of Iraq! SCENARIO: Large Jewish population in Limerick. Pay for all the Jews in Dublin, London, Liverpool, from wherever. Arm them to the teeth. Get American backing. Offer transport to move out the natives. Offer the rest of the bloody Irish what is left of their country. Declare the new Free State of Western Israel. What have the natives to complain about. That had no country and now they do. Leaving aside the dubious legal entitlement from the bible, please argue against my scenario vis-a-vis today

I asked you to respond. I am waiting patiently. Even god has not replied and that's a first.