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**Chris** · Jul 25, 2005, 01:09 pm

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/N...743131,00.html

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'Don't smoke and drive' 25/07/2005 11:13 - (SA)

Trenton, New Jersey - Smoking while driving in New Jersey may soon become illegal, under a measure introduced in the Legislature.

Although the measure faces long odds, it still has smokers incensed and arguing it's a Big Brother intrusion that threatens to take away one of the few places they can enjoy their habit...

I heard it is only proposed to be a secondary enforcable offense, that is a cop can't pull you over just for having a cigarette.

oranged · Jul 25, 2005, 07:04 pm

I think this is probably a good idea, smoking does desrease reaction time.

bishop · Jul 25, 2005, 07:24 pm

this is pretty damn retarded...

Osborn F Enready · Jul 25, 2005, 09:07 pm

Am I the only one that saw that anti-smoking nazi legislation coming to this logical prediction????

LOL

And people thought I was crazy about them wanting to invade private property with anti-smoking legislation......

How nice of them to make it a secondary offense.....

"Oh, since I already pulled you over for going 3 mph over the speed limit, I am going to walk this dog around your car, and why don't you open your trunk. You don't have any guns,knives or anything that could possibly be constrewed as a weapon do you? Mind turning your pockets out, and showing proof of ID and a license, registration and insurance card? Oh, also, I noticed your smoking, so I am going to increase city revenue a little and write you a ticket for that too, after I write you up for no seat belt violation, since you aren't wearing it as I pulled up......" :eek: :eek: :eek:

:rolleyes: :eek:

But no, we still have rights....... :rolleyes:

Critter · Jul 25, 2005, 09:10 pm

Soooo....then what's their take on cell phone use while driving?

Milton Bradley · Jul 25, 2005, 09:13 pm

Since the car is outside when the "offense" occurs, are we to assume all outdoor smoking will be on the chopping block next?

My bet, absolutely.

**Jack** · Jul 25, 2005, 09:28 pm

It sounds like they're only going to make it illegal to smoke...what happens when you finally burst into flames? Is that OK? :rolleyes:

Milton Bradley · Jul 25, 2005, 09:30 pm

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Quote by: Isherwood

It sounds like they're only going to make it illegal to smoke...what happens when you finally burst into flames? Is that OK? :rolleyes:

If you sk me, that seems to be the intended goal.

I know I'm hot under the collar already.

Osborn F Enready · Jul 25, 2005, 09:39 pm

I wonder if the end of the AK smoking will be an offense?

Milton Bradley · Jul 25, 2005, 09:42 pm

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Quote by: Osborn F Enready

I wonder if the end of the AK smoking will be an offense?

When all else fails, vote from the rooftops.

[cue Patrick Henry with the graphic]

belverron · Jul 25, 2005, 10:51 pm

Damn it, if smoking causes an accident you're liable for it. Why isn't that enough?

**Jack** · Jul 25, 2005, 10:57 pm

Because legislators now imagine themselves to be prognosticators, so they want to proactively outlaw that which they see causing problems in the future. Since talking to others also distracts the driver, we should soon see legislation permitting only one person per vehicle. Oh, and kids distract, too. Sorry, mom, no more rides for the kiddies. If they can't walk or ride their bikes, they don't need to go. Then we need to outlaw drivers under 30. Those damn kids drive too fast and don't follow the rules of the road.

**Chris** · Jul 25, 2005, 11:01 pm

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Quote by: Critter

Soooo....then what's their take on cell phone use while driving?

Already illegal in NJ

mr.perfecto · Jul 25, 2005, 11:04 pm

Every one is unnecessarily critical. You guys should be defending private property. You need to be telling people, "Maybe if you don't like it, you should go and build your own road."

Milton Bradley · Jul 26, 2005, 12:10 am

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Quote by: Isherwood

Because legislators now imagine themselves to be prognosticators, so they want to proactively outlaw that which they see causing problems in the future. Since talking to others also distracts the driver, we should soon see legislation permitting only one person per vehicle. Oh, and kids distract, too. Sorry, mom, no more rides for the kiddies. If they can't walk or ride their bikes, they don't need to go. Then we need to outlaw drivers under 30. Those damn kids drive too fast and don't follow the rules of the road.

I doubt it will ever go that far. They will have been rid of us undesirables long before it gets to anti-family legislation.

belverron · Jul 26, 2005, 12:36 am

I'm waiting for the day I can't legally scratch an itch in the car. Also the day I won't be allowed to drive my manual.

Jul 25, 2005, 07:04 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
oranged fanatic and profound Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 335	I think this is probably a good idea, smoking does desrease reaction time. "It is not power that corrupts but fear. Fear of losing power corrupts those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who are subject to it."- Aung San Suu Kyi

Jul 25, 2005, 07:24 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	this is pretty damn retarded... hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Jul 25, 2005, 09:07 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Am I the only one that saw that anti-smoking nazi legislation coming to this logical prediction???? LOL And people thought I was crazy about them wanting to invade private property with anti-smoking legislation...... How nice of them to make it a secondary offense..... "Oh, since I already pulled you over for going 3 mph over the speed limit, I am going to walk this dog around your car, and why don't you open your trunk. You don't have any guns,knives or anything that could possibly be constrewed as a weapon do you? Mind turning your pockets out, and showing proof of ID and a license, registration and insurance card? Oh, also, I noticed your smoking, so I am going to increase city revenue a little and write you a ticket for that too, after I write you up for no seat belt violation, since you aren't wearing it as I pulled up......" :eek: :eek: :eek: :rolleyes: :eek: But no, we still have rights....... :rolleyes: Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready Last edited by Osborn F Enready; Jul 25, 2005 at 09:11 pm.

Jul 25, 2005, 09:10 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Critter Bullets & Bracelets Location: Northwest Ohio Posts: 658	Soooo....then what's their take on cell phone use while driving? Making people go, "WTF?!?!?" since 1979.

Jul 25, 2005, 09:13 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Milton Bradley Not Machine Washable Location: Ohio Province, Rep. of Comerica Posts: 7,091	Since the car is outside when the "offense" occurs, are we to assume all outdoor smoking will be on the chopping block next? My bet, absolutely. Liberalism - The philosophy for the person only a Nanny State could love. Economic -5.25 Libertarian/Authoritarian -3.90

Jul 25, 2005, 09:28 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,282	It sounds like they're only going to make it illegal to smoke...what happens when you finally burst into flames? Is that OK? :rolleyes: The Forum Rules Radical Atheist A man who does not think for himself does not think at all...Oscar Wilde

Jul 25, 2005, 09:39 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	I wonder if the end of the AK smoking will be an offense? Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Jul 25, 2005, 10:51 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
belverron Beloved Truth-Dragon Location: Texas Posts: 1,299	Damn it, if smoking causes an accident you're liable for it. Why isn't that enough? If only I could saith, so should I.

Jul 25, 2005, 10:57 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,282	Because legislators now imagine themselves to be prognosticators, so they want to proactively outlaw that which they see causing problems in the future. Since talking to others also distracts the driver, we should soon see legislation permitting only one person per vehicle. Oh, and kids distract, too. Sorry, mom, no more rides for the kiddies. If they can't walk or ride their bikes, they don't need to go. Then we need to outlaw drivers under 30. Those damn kids drive too fast and don't follow the rules of the road. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist A man who does not think for himself does not think at all...Oscar Wilde

Jul 25, 2005, 11:04 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
mr.perfecto Igneous Magma Posts: 632	Every one is unnecessarily critical. You guys should be defending private property. You need to be telling people, "Maybe if you don't like it, you should go and build your own road."

Jul 26, 2005, 12:36 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
belverron Beloved Truth-Dragon Location: Texas Posts: 1,299	I'm waiting for the day I can't legally scratch an itch in the car. Also the day I won't be allowed to drive my manual. If only I could saith, so should I.