Further attacks on London Underground

[Nono]

Quote by: dotcome Europe needs to get on board ...

Man, dot, you really don't get it, do you? We've been hearing this get-on-board bullshit since Vietnam (Canadian PM physically assaulted by LBJ, Harold Wilson ordered to sent troops, etc.).

For you, on board means taking part in the US's major terrorism-promotion exercise now under way in Iraq. For decades y'all figgered it was enough to treat the Middle East as one big fillin station. Now you see nothing wrong with a little political-demographic engineering in any old country you please. In Iraq it's gone so disastrously wrong that the message has changed from "mission accomplished" to uhh-maybe-bout-12-more-years in record time (which do sorta sound like Vietnam, don't it?).

What you need to do, dot, is start thinking about the disease, not just the symptoms. But you won't do that because it would mean reconsidering the validity of your God-given right to drive yourselves to death in gas-guzzlers and generally run the world. Can't have that, now can we?

[Chris]

:applause:

[Nono]

Here are some interesting figures from Linda McQuaig writing two weeks ago in the Toronto Star:

"It's hard to imagine how the war on terror could be viewed as a success.

Among other things, terrorism is up sharply since the war to end it began — even before the horrific bombings in London last week. The number of serious international terrorist attacks more than tripled — to 655 last year from 175 the year before — according to U.S. government figures.

The Bush administration was hoping to keep these discouraging numbers secret, and so decided last April not to include them in its annual terrorism report to Congress. But congressional aides, briefed on the statistics, released them. It was the second year in a row the administration tried to hide a dramatic rise in terrorist attacks.

This raises the question: has the war on terror actually increased terrorism? (...)

The war on terror certainly does nothing to get to the root of the problem.

For several years now, a new kind of 'political correctness' has prevented meaningful public discussion about this entire subject. Despite the endless commentary generated by the attacks of Sept. 11, one thing was clear from the outset: any probing of the so-called 'root causes' would be strictly off-limits in mainstream debate. (...)"

This war has been going on now for longer than the United States' part in WWII and, just as predicted by all those faggy-commie Europeans and "unpatriotic" Americans, things have become way, way worse rather than better.

But despite the suppression of reality by compliantly spineless media in the US, the scales will eventually fall from the eyes of even fervent believers like dotcoma.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Nono This war has been going on now for longer than the United States' part in WWII and, just as predicted by all those faggy-commie Europeans and "unpatriotic" Americans, things have become way, way worse rather than better. But despite the suppression of reality by compliantly spineless media in the US, the scales will eventually fall from the eyes of even fervent believers like dotcoma.

I think you are confused about the timeline Nono.


This war may have lasted longer than the US's part in the European theatre, but it has not gone on as long as the US's involvement in WW Ii just yet.


We went to war with Japan on December of 1941, and entered into the African theatre in long before the European D-Day. (Operation Torch, forgot the exact date)

[Nono]

OK, this is a bit of a sidetrack, but it's worth nailing down.

The US entered the war (with Japan, a member of the Axis) on 06.12.41. Hitler promptly (and stupidly) declared war on the US. So the US joined the fighting in the skies over Europe and ground-fighting in North Africa within the year or so that followed.

In any case, the war in Europe ended in May '45 and in the Pacific in August '45, i.e. a little over three and a half years after the US entered the conflict. The Axis lay in ruins.

A little over three and a half years after Boy George declared his "war on terror" was what, this past spring? Today the Islamo-fascist wack-jobs are thriving like never before, North Korea is publicly trumpeting its nukes (and no one is fool enough to doubt them) and nuclear proliferation looks on course in all sorts of regions.

Pretty good, eh?

[Milton Bradley]

Perhaps I'm the one that needs correcting, thanks.


Of course, technically, the war in Iraq ended long before this date according to King George.

[rmnunez]

Another suspect, this time Somalian, apprehended in the London bombings:

Yasin Hassan Omar, one of the men suspected of trying to detonate bombs on London's transport network, was arrested on Wednesday following Britain's biggest manhunt. The arrest of the 24-year-old Somali is potentially the most significant breakthrough in the investigation into last Thursday's botched bomb attacks. Mr Omar, suspected of trying to detonate a bomb near Warren Street Underground station, was seized in an early morning raid on a house in Birmingham where police used a Taser stun gun to disable him. He was taken to Paddington Green high security police station in London. http://news.ft.com/cms/s/50ce1f3a-fe...00e2511c8.html

Previously it has been suggested the jihadees share experiences under the foreign boot which then provides the motivation. In the London case we’ve got jihadees from Pakistan, Egypt, Somalia and Jamaica, what shared foreign transgressions could they have witnessed or experienced?

[Nono]

Well, rum, they'd tell you they have grounds for vengeance that stretch back to the Crusades and the Christian reconquest of Andalusia. So there's no shortage of grievances, no matter where they come from.

They would add to this the European colonization of three of the four countries you mention and, if not outright colonization, the de facto European control of the fourth (Egypt), which involved no little squabbling between British and French.

Remember though that these guys are fueled by hate. When you've got that kind of mindset, grievances are always close at hand. No point looking for anything rational.