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**Matt W** · Jul 8, 2005, 05:21 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/othe...12/4658925.stm

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Baseball and softball have been dropped from the Olympic programme for the 2012 Games - and could be replaced by rugby, squash, golf, karate or roller skating.
International Olympic Committee members held a secret ballot to decide which sports to axe from the existing list of 28 ahead of the London Games in 2012.

And both baseball and softball, which will remain on the Olympic programme for 2008, failed to get enough votes.

They are the first sports to be cut from the Olympics since polo in 1936.

The five sports which could be admitted for the 2012 Olympics will find out on Saturday if they have been successful.

I feel sorry for the supporters of baseball & softball, but I think it's a good idea to bring in sports that have more international appeal and actual competition. Out of the 5 possibles, I'd go with rugby and...hmm....squash, probably.

tinybear · Jul 8, 2005, 05:42 am

I must say I never liked to watch baseball or softball.

Trotsky · Jul 8, 2005, 06:14 am

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Quote by: Matt W

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/othe...12/4658925.stm

I feel sorry for the supporters of baseball & softball, but I think it's a good idea to bring in sports that have more international appeal and actual competition. Out of the 5 possibles, I'd go with rugby and...hmm....squash, probably.

Sevens isn't real rugby though, its fun to watch etc, but I much prefer to watch and play the 15 man version!

**Matt W** · Jul 8, 2005, 06:18 am

Same as, but the atmosphere at Twickenham 7s this year was electric. It'll certainly give rugby as a whole a boost on the international stage - perhaps even persuade our friends 'across the pond' that it's worth decent airtime!

sherwin · Jul 8, 2005, 06:27 am

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Sevens isn't real rugby though

I agree, but try telling that to the southern Pacific islanders :)

J

**Matt W** · Jul 8, 2005, 06:29 am

Ah, was great watching Fiji vs Australia - we started up a chant of 'I'd rather be a cannibal than a convict'....like I said, fun atmosphere!

tman_ndsu08 · Jul 8, 2005, 10:54 am

Rugby?

LOL

How about a real sport like football?

**Matt W** · Jul 8, 2005, 11:00 am

What, american football - rugby for wimps? The ones who wear armour & take breaks every couple of minutes?

Don't make me laugh. Besides, this is about getting sports that will feature internationally. American football will never reach a wider audience.

Trotsky · Jul 8, 2005, 11:09 am

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What, american football - rugby for wimps? The ones who wear armour & take breaks every couple of minutes?

Don't make me laugh. Besides, this is about getting sports that will feature internationally. American football will never reach a wider audience.

I played rugby in the states for a season, good fun, they were just clueless about the laws of the game. Somebody referred to it as "go-backwards" football :rolleyes:

Samildanach · Jul 8, 2005, 11:59 am

Rugby is one of THE hardest games out there on a body, not to mention incredibly entertaining to watch at the higher levels of the game.

sherwin · Jul 8, 2005, 01:33 pm

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not to mention incredibly entertaining to watch at the higher levels of the game

I agree - even when the All Blacks are making our Lions look more like pussycats I just watch in awe. Although tomorrow will be an alltogether different story ... won't it?

J

tman_ndsu08 · Jul 8, 2005, 07:24 pm

Basketball was an American game.

Looks like that is doing quite well internationally.

Football will soon follow.

I'm already waiting in line to see the Chinese national team take on Poland. I hear the Chinese have a really good wide receiver. Poland, on the other hand, establishes the run game like no one else with their bruising full back.

oranged · Jul 9, 2005, 01:47 pm

Karate? Jujitsu is way better. I think they should have Jujutsu and Rugby.

oranged · Jul 9, 2005, 01:48 pm

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Basketball was an American game.

Basketball is Canadian in origin.

G. Adams · Jul 9, 2005, 04:33 pm

I'd like to see rugby, 7's if it has to be, and an event from the original olympics brought back, pankration. It's like any no holds barred MMA fight, but without gloves. It would give a chance to see the worlds best fighters compete against each other on the international stage. I always felt that gloves, especially the oversized boxing mitts rather than grappling ones, ruins the purity of a fight. People use unreal tactics in a fight with gloves, you can afford to take a jab if you can shift into position for a closing cross. You just don't do that in a bareknuckle fight.

However, I somehow think I'd be in a minority to bring back that noble sport, so how about submission MMA? Fight's are not timed, one person has to tap out or be KO'd. I'd love to see that in London.

edit - oh, there are some rules to pankration; no biting or gouging. It is also divided into kato pankration, where fights continue on the ground, and ano pankration where the fights stop with a knock down. We could have ano pankration through till the final, where we have a full fight.

tman_ndsu08 · Jul 9, 2005, 07:34 pm

The deadliest (by far) form of 1 on 1 combat is already in the olympics: wrestling.

Fancy strikers like to think they're tough, but would lose instantly to a grapler. Heck, even judo.

Osborn F Enready · Jul 10, 2005, 01:51 am

Grapplers are worthless without finishing moves. There is no universally best style, it is about balancing a little of everything, Wrestling for the grappling, Ju-jitsu for more grappling, chokes and locks, Aikido for balance and understanding the use of it to your advantage, Muay-Thai for perfecting elbow and knee strikes, and good old Boxing for learning how to deliver a proper strike with weight transfer and perfect footwork and weigt balance to stay light on your feet.

And on topic, I am glad to see baseball and softball go, they shouldn't have been there anyway.

PatrickHenry · Jul 10, 2005, 02:32 am

Baseball should stay. Very popular in many areas of the military invasions. Takes up a lotta room, though and maybe the olympics is trying to save space...but not if they're replacing it with rugby.

I could never see golf being an olympic sport. Or roller skating! What kind of competitive skating? Well, maybe extreme skating like a skate park or rollerball. I've got it! Olympic Roller Derby!

Probably karate...

tman_ndsu08 · Jul 10, 2005, 10:40 am

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Grapplers are worthless without finishing moves.

How about breaking the other guy's neck (in a way that you can actually do it...none of this BS hollywood ninja "I'll twist your neck sideways really fast") in a full nelson?

Or a sleeper hold?

Osborn F Enready · Jul 10, 2005, 02:05 pm

T-Man said:
How about breaking the other guy's neck (in a way that you can actually do it...none of this BS hollywood ninja "I'll twist your neck sideways really fast") in a full nelson?

Or a sleeper hold?

I say:
Yes, that is possible, but the way they train to execute the moves. When in an emergency. reaction only situation, your body will execute the moves you have learned to the point you have learned them, meaning if you don't practice to disable, you won't when the emergency happens when you need to.

What good is grappling a man to the ground, gaining back, or side control, and then being stuck in a position where you can't finish them and they are pummeling your ears and nose into mush?

This is why I say the true self defense intrested person would learn a combination of all skills, since the UFC has proven that NO one style covers all necessities and possibilities.

I feel truly, that Greco Roman wrestling is far superior in lethality to American Wrestling, based only on its taught arsenal of moves, and techniques.

Jul 8, 2005, 06:18 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 5,717	Same as, but the atmosphere at Twickenham 7s this year was electric. It'll certainly give rugby as a whole a boost on the international stage - perhaps even persuade our friends 'across the pond' that it's worth decent airtime! I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Jul 8, 2005, 06:29 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 5,717	Ah, was great watching Fiji vs Australia - we started up a chant of 'I'd rather be a cannibal than a convict'....like I said, fun atmosphere! I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Jul 8, 2005, 11:00 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 5,717	What, american football - rugby for wimps? The ones who wear armour & take breaks every couple of minutes? Don't make me laugh. Besides, this is about getting sports that will feature internationally. American football will never reach a wider audience. I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Jul 8, 2005, 11:59 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	Rugby is one of THE hardest games out there on a body, not to mention incredibly entertaining to watch at the higher levels of the game. I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

Jul 9, 2005, 01:47 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
oranged fanatic and profound Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 335	Karate? Jujitsu is way better. I think they should have Jujutsu and Rugby. "It is not power that corrupts but fear. Fear of losing power corrupts those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who are subject to it."- Aung San Suu Kyi

Jul 8, 2005, 05:42 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 6,992	I must say I never liked to watch baseball or softball.

Jul 8, 2005, 10:54 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	Rugby? LOL How about a real sport like football?

Jul 8, 2005, 07:24 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	Basketball was an American game. Looks like that is doing quite well internationally. Football will soon follow. I'm already waiting in line to see the Chinese national team take on Poland. I hear the Chinese have a really good wide receiver. Poland, on the other hand, establishes the run game like no one else with their bruising full back.

Jul 9, 2005, 04:33 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	I'd like to see rugby, 7's if it has to be, and an event from the original olympics brought back, pankration. It's like any no holds barred MMA fight, but without gloves. It would give a chance to see the worlds best fighters compete against each other on the international stage. I always felt that gloves, especially the oversized boxing mitts rather than grappling ones, ruins the purity of a fight. People use unreal tactics in a fight with gloves, you can afford to take a jab if you can shift into position for a closing cross. You just don't do that in a bareknuckle fight. However, I somehow think I'd be in a minority to bring back that noble sport, so how about submission MMA? Fight's are not timed, one person has to tap out or be KO'd. I'd love to see that in London. edit - oh, there are some rules to pankration; no biting or gouging. It is also divided into kato pankration, where fights continue on the ground, and ano pankration where the fights stop with a knock down. We could have ano pankration through till the final, where we have a full fight. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill Last edited by G. Adams; Jul 9, 2005 at 04:35 pm.

Jul 9, 2005, 07:34 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	The deadliest (by far) form of 1 on 1 combat is already in the olympics: wrestling. Fancy strikers like to think they're tough, but would lose instantly to a grapler. Heck, even judo.

Jul 10, 2005, 01:51 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Grapplers are worthless without finishing moves. There is no universally best style, it is about balancing a little of everything, Wrestling for the grappling, Ju-jitsu for more grappling, chokes and locks, Aikido for balance and understanding the use of it to your advantage, Muay-Thai for perfecting elbow and knee strikes, and good old Boxing for learning how to deliver a proper strike with weight transfer and perfect footwork and weigt balance to stay light on your feet. And on topic, I am glad to see baseball and softball go, they shouldn't have been there anyway. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Jul 10, 2005, 02:32 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,435	Baseball should stay. Very popular in many areas of the military invasions. Takes up a lotta room, though and maybe the olympics is trying to save space...but not if they're replacing it with rugby. I could never see golf being an olympic sport. Or roller skating! What kind of competitive skating? Well, maybe extreme skating like a skate park or rollerball. I've got it! Olympic Roller Derby! Probably karate... "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Jul 10, 2005, 02:05 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	T-Man said: How about breaking the other guy's neck (in a way that you can actually do it...none of this BS hollywood ninja "I'll twist your neck sideways really fast") in a full nelson? Or a sleeper hold? I say: Yes, that is possible, but the way they train to execute the moves. When in an emergency. reaction only situation, your body will execute the moves you have learned to the point you have learned them, meaning if you don't practice to disable, you won't when the emergency happens when you need to. What good is grappling a man to the ground, gaining back, or side control, and then being stuck in a position where you can't finish them and they are pummeling your ears and nose into mush? This is why I say the true self defense intrested person would learn a combination of all skills, since the UFC has proven that NO one style covers all necessities and possibilities. I feel truly, that Greco Roman wrestling is far superior in lethality to American Wrestling, based only on its taught arsenal of moves, and techniques. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready