London Underground Explodes

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: Sgt. Rock Zee I am not saying that innocent Iraqi people are not victims of the fighting. Any military engagements that involve shooting usually result in non combatants being killed. This is a sad fact. It still does not change the fact that the Marines were being fired upon. If these people don't want to fight they can surrender. It seemes to me that the avarage Iraqi wants what you and I want. A home, family, job and freedom to worship, read, talk, etc. I think 98% of them are peace loving people but they have a violent group that is willing to kill even their own people to further their ends.

"I'd want vengance, and I don't mean justice."

So, suppose your family members weren't killed by "terrorists" but by U.S. military personnel instead. Would that just be a "sad fact" to you? Would you still want vengeance?

We attack what we consider to be legitimate targets. Innocents are killed. We call that a "sad fact".

They attack what they consider to be a legitimate target. Innocents are killed. Look at the difference in our reactions.

They've killed 50, we've killed thousands.

[tinybear]

They deliberately targetted innocent civilians including babies. If you can't see the difference, I suggest you try removing the blinkers.

[tinybear]

Quote by: Sgt. Rock Zee I am not saying that innocent Iraqi people are not victims of the fighting. Any military engagements that involve shooting usually result in non combatants being killed. This is a sad fact. It still does not change the fact that the Marines were being fired upon. If these people don't want to fight they can surrender. It seemes to me that the avarage Iraqi wants what you and I want. A home, family, job and freedom to worship, read, talk, etc. I think 98% of them are peace loving people but they have a violent group that is willing to kill even their own people to further their ends.

98% are peace loving people? Where'd this figure come from?

[MerlinsByte]

They deliberately targetted innocent civilians including babies. If you can't see the difference, I suggest you try removing the blinkers.

Anger and goverment deception makes fine blinkers.I love our troops though, I was a part of the south east asia action (I joined at the tender age of 17) and was lied too also, so my heart goes out to all of you sgt.

mb

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: tinybear They deliberately targetted innocent civilians including babies. If you can't see the difference, I suggest you try removing the blinkers.

Ah, yes, this sounds like Mr. V. Their dead don't count since we didn't really mean to kill them. It's much better to be killed merely for being in the way than to be "targetted", isn't it? Good thing there were no babies in Fallujah, huh?

[jose]

What's Behind the London Attacks?
an interesting possability theory matt hutaff writes;
Unlike four years ago, however, I refuse to accept that the attack on London was anything less than a false-flag operation designed to enrage Western "civilization" against the Middle East. Why? Because there is no reason for "terrorist" groups to attack England. As recently as this week, the Ministry of Defense announced that plans were being drafted that would pull British armed forces from the quagmires in Iraq and Afghanistan. With the British effectively admitting they're throwing in the towel, the only motivation to stay could come from an attack that compels the forces to stay and fight "global terrorism.

http://www.thesimon.com/magazine/art...n_attacks.html

[Jack]

The wonderful thing about many conspiracy theories is that since they suppose something that isn't true, there's never any evidence to prove them either right or wrong. I'm not saying what you quoted couldn't have happened. I am saying if that's what happened, there's a paper trail somewhere, someone will eventually talk. Evidence of some sort will come out. But if it's just conjecture, we'll never know because there's nothing there to find as evidence.

[jose]

A consultancy agency with government and police connections was running an exercise for an unnamed company that revolved around the London Underground being bombed at the exact same times and locations as happened in real life on the morning of July 7th.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...gexercises.htm
wow.i love deja vue

It is clear that at least five if not six training exercises were in operation in the days leading up to and on the morning of 9/11. This meant that NORAD radar screens showed as many as 22 hijacked airliners at the same time. NORAD had been briefed that this was part of the exercise drill and therefore normal reactive procedure was forestalled and delayed.http://www.infowars.com/articles/sep...er_for_911.htm

[RickSp]

Quote by: Isherwood The wonderful thing about many conspiracy theories is that since they suppose something that isn't true, there's never any evidence to prove them either right or wrong. I'm not saying what you quoted couldn't have happened. I am saying if that's what happened, there's a paper trail somewhere, someone will eventually talk. Evidence of some sort will come out. But if it's just conjecture, we'll never know because there's nothing there to find as evidence.

See I told you Rudy Gulliani was behind it all. It is so obvious. Mastermind Revealed

[RickSp]

The government of Iraq is tying the London bombings to the growing insurgency.

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Islamic extremists have been using Iraq as a planning center for attacks around the world since losing Afghanistan as their base in 2001, the government's chief spokesman said Friday. Speaking about Thursday's blasts in London that killed more than 50 people, Laith Kubba said "we don't know exactly who carried out these acts but it is clear that these networks used to be in Afghanistan and now they work in Iraq." The spokesman said that insurgents in Iraq and those who carried out the London attacks "are from the same network. There are different groups in the world, but they all follow the same school."

Iraq Links London Attacks to Insurgency

[MerlinsByte]

Ah, yes, this sounds like Mr. V. Their dead don't count since we didn't really mean to kill them. It's much better to be killed merely for being in the way than to be "targetted", isn't it? Good thing there were no babies in Fallujah, huh?

Intent is important. Even in criminal actions.
mb

[tinybear]

Exactly. If you carelessly drive a car and kill a busload of people, you are still much less culpable than if you deliberately set out to murder one person.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: tinybear Exactly. If you carelessly drive a car and kill a busload of people, you are still much less culpable than if you deliberately set out to murder one person.

Unless that one needs killin'!

[RickSp]

Quote by: MerlinsByte Intent is important. Even in criminal actions. mb

No one plants synchronized bombs by accident and no one succeeds in killing over ten thousand Iraqi civilians (which is the lowest of all the estimates) by "accident". Murder is murder. In London or Fallujah.

[MerlinsByte]

No one plants synchronized bombs by accident and no one succeeds in killing over ten thousand Iraqi civilians (which is the lowest of all the estimates) by "accident". Murder is murder. In London or Fallujah.

I dont trust any goverment. But intent is very, very OH so very important. important! So we disagree Rick. I put a spin on my short post.I beleive the Iraq war is very close to a criminal action.

But do I believe it was necessary to the national security of the United States. I think it was mandatory for the survival of the USA to gain a strategic advantage in the middle east, where the last war will be waged.

And our men in OD or tan Cammo are still my heros. They are willing to die for you and I.

mb

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[RickSp]

We have killed five or ten times as many civilians with our planes as Bin Laden did with his.

We attacked a country that never attacked us and that was hated by the Ilsamists as the secular state it was and we have turned it into a training ground for bomb makers and terrorists.

Those fine men and women in tan and camo that you lionize are being killed or maimed by the thousands in a war we cannot win and should never have started.

And anyone who claims the war in Iraq is making us safer should look to the carnage in the London tubes.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: jose What's Behind the London Attacks?

Cui Bono? Who Profits?

Interesting trivia: bush jr DOB? 7/6/46
According to this:

onlinejournal Now why would George Dubya require a Texas driver's license with an entirely new number? It was obtained on March 31, 1995, as was his wife's Laura Welch Bush's. His wife and daughters didn't need new numbers, nor did his famous parents -- former president and first lady, George H. and Barbara Pierce Bush -- who all would seem to be at as much risk security-wise. And by the way, doesn't Texas require renewal of a driver's license every four years on one's birthday? Did George Dubya have something in his past to hide to cause him to purge the old record and number? This seems especially confusing since his birthday is July 6, 1946, but he obtained his new number on March 31, 1995 as a renewal.

[jose]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Cui Bono? Who Profits? Interesting trivia: bush jr DOB? 7/6/46 According to this:

And why would he be given the nine-digit DL number 000000005?
any way back to the topic
Israel is embarking upon a more aggressive approach to the war on terror that will include staging targeted killings in the United States and other friendly countries, former Israeli intelligence officials told United Press International.
one former Israeli intelligence operative explained. "Mossad in the past has put its emphasis on Humint (human intelligence) and secret operations and has neglected the whole field of open media, which has become extremely important."


http://www.thepowerhour.com/news/israel_tokill.htm
or even, Police and intelligence agents are investigating the theory that a gang of white "mercenary terrorists" was hired by al-Qa'ida to carry out last week's devastating attacks on London. http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/cri...icle298105.ece

[jose]

The worst fear of the security services is that the bombers might be "clean skins" - newly recruited or British-born extremists with no police or intelligence records, perhaps trained, equipped and directed by a much more experienced terrorist. If they were not Muslims, they would be even harder to detect.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/cri...icle298106.ece

[tinybear]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Unless that one needs killin'!

What are you saying? Are you saying the people in London who were killed by the terrorists "needs killin'"?