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Trotsky · Jul 7, 2005, 09:59 am

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Anyone that is deluded into thinking Al-Quada and it's islamic radicalist will not attack if you just leave them alone... they'll only stop when YOUR country converts to thier version of Islam (think a Taliban type regime) until then, you are the enemy, period.

You really should pay attention to what these people really want, and not what you feel is the right thing to do.

Sorry Mr. V, what they want is not an issue, personally I don't care what they want. They can fuck off and have their Taliban style regieme where ever the fuck they want. When they start bombing innocent people...thats a different issue altogether.

Samildanach · Jul 7, 2005, 10:06 am

That, Mr Trotsky, is exactly how they want you to think. They want to fuel hatred and make you react.

Athena · Jul 7, 2005, 10:15 am

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Sorry Mr. V, what they want is not an issue, personally I don't care what they want. They can fuck off and have their Taliban style regieme where ever the fuck they want. When they start bombing innocent people...thats a different issue altogether.

Your language is inappropriate, and I think Britian is just paying karma debt for the many, many years it exploited other countries. Britian is behind the mess the mid east and Africa are in. Its civilians are no more deserving of the violence than citizens any where in the world, but those who ruled the industries and England's government, exploited the world for many years, and frankly I feel angry about what they have done for England at the expense of others. It was immoral and the law of karma demands pay back.

The person who caused my strong feelings about this, was a CIA agent who is very proud of what he has done, wrote about it and is paid to travel and lecture about it. I am sure he did not want my reaction to what he said. How would feel about a country coming into our country and trying to get people to revolt against our government? That is immoral and that is what our CIA does.

**Matt W** · Jul 7, 2005, 10:18 am

A sentiment expressed by many regarding 9/11, but somewhat inappropriate right now, Athena. Not until we know who did it and what reasons they give.

tman_ndsu08 · Jul 7, 2005, 10:19 am

Power surges don't result in explosions. You'd need an explosive material for that.

Trotsky · Jul 7, 2005, 10:25 am

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Your language is inappropriate, and I think Britian is just paying karma debt for the many, many years it exploited other countries. Britian is behind the mess the mid east and Africa are in. Its civilians are no more deserving of the violence than citizens any where in the world, but those who ruled the industries and England's government, exploited the world for many years, and frankly I feel angry about what they have done for England at the expense of others. It was immoral and the law of karma demands pay back.

Ye what?? If you refer to the Congo, Berundi, Rwanda etc, I think you'll find the French and the Belgians are responsible for that mess. It's easy to blaim the old colonial masters, we in Ireland are very good at that, quickly forgetting everything good they did for us. I just can't swallow your perverted logic, I'm sorry. You sound like the mouthpiece for one of these groups, how does punishment of the present atone for the sins of the past??? I think Mr Robert Mugabe has a job vaccany available in his media relations group, maybe you could apply there.

Savant · Jul 7, 2005, 10:25 am

I've asked my friends in london if they are OK, and they replied: "No, we are all dead." and "We are OK, I haven't asked the dead people yet." It's nice to see the Bri'ish keep that Bri'ish humor even during tragic times...

My deepest sympathies to any of you who are in the UK or have family or friends there. When religious fundamentalism strikes, we all lose. :(

Trotsky · Jul 7, 2005, 10:26 am

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Your language is inappropriate, and I think Britian is just paying karma debt for the many, many years it exploited other countries. Britian is behind the mess the mid east and Africa are in. Its civilians are no more deserving of the violence than citizens any where in the world, but those who ruled the industries and England's government, exploited the world for many years, and frankly I feel angry about what they have done for England at the expense of others. It was immoral and the law of karma demands pay back.

The person who caused my strong feelings about this, was a CIA agent who is very proud of what he has done, wrote about it and is paid to travel and lecture about it. I am sure he did not want my reaction to what he said. How would feel about a country coming into our country and trying to get people to revolt against our government? That is immoral and that is what our CIA does.

YOUR CIA

Trotsky · Jul 7, 2005, 10:28 am

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I've asked my friends in london if they are OK, and they replied: "No, we are all dead." and "We are OK, I haven't asked the dead people yet." It's nice to see the Bri'ish keep that Bri'ish humor even during tragic times...

My deepest sympathies to any of you who are in the UK or have family or friends there. When religious fundamentalism strikes, we all lose. :(

I dunno how I'm going to get home, I can still get to Waterloo from work, but getting home from there is going to be a nightmare I think.

**Matt W** · Jul 7, 2005, 10:29 am

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My deepest sympathies to any of you who are in the UK or have family or friends there. When religious fundamentalism strikes, we all lose

Here here. Concern appreciated, Savant.

Samildanach · Jul 7, 2005, 10:31 am

I will walk to Victoria or Farringdon and get a train south...pain in the butt though.

Athena · Jul 7, 2005, 10:32 am

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A sentiment expressed by many regarding 9/11, but somewhat inappropriate right now, Athena. Not until we know who did it and what reasons they give.

Inappropriate to believe Britan and the US have blood on their hands, and should have never done the things these countries have done, and therefore, do not blame those who are attacking? I am not a Christian, but I sure don't think exploiting people is right. Britian got the Arabs to revolt against the Turks because it wanted the oil. Britian was too small to manage the war alone, so after telling the Arabs they could have the land, they told the French they could have a piece of that land, to get them to fight. And to fund the war, they told Rothchild the Jews could have the land that is now Israel. They pulled this stuff all over the world, and the Americans have followed behind them, using the CIA to get people to fight against each other. Why? so Britian and the US can enjoy excessive wealth and destroy the earth that much faster. This is immoral.

**Matt W** · Jul 7, 2005, 10:36 am

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Inappropriate to believe Britan and the US have blood on their hands, and should have never done the things these countries have done, and therefore, do not blame those who are attacking

No, inappropriate to start mouthing such things whilst we're counting our dead. Analysis & blame can wait.

ibm · Jul 7, 2005, 10:37 am

i agree. you have to know the fact before commenting on it.

Trotsky · Jul 7, 2005, 10:37 am

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No, inappropriate to start mouthing such things whilst we're counting our dead. Analysis & blame can wait.

But Matt you know she is right, USA and Britain = very bad people...must be punished :rolleyes:

MerlinsByte · Jul 7, 2005, 10:59 am

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Inappropriate to believe Britan and the US have blood on their hands

All Nations (and governments) have blood on their hands by their very reason for existence ! Anyway , the outcome of this bombing may be a good thing . Notice I said outcome. My heart and prayers and spells ; } > goes out to those injured in the cowardly bombing.

I say it might be a good thing as the cowards that did this may have went too far. I think that world opinion (unless populated by sub humans) should begin to change. This bombing will have the opposite result than what is intended.

mb

Samildanach · Jul 7, 2005, 11:01 am

That is the magic question though isnt it. What was intended.

Trotsky · Jul 7, 2005, 11:12 am

murder, cruelty and mayhem I think Samil.

tinybear · Jul 7, 2005, 11:14 am

So does anybody still believe Al Qaeda and their cohorts are freedom fighters? They're murderers!! They should be hunted down and eliminated with no mercy shown.

Samildanach · Jul 7, 2005, 11:16 am

Maybe but for what purpose. Acts like these are seldom without purpose. The question is, is the purpose simply revenge for past acts or are they trying to influence people to go in a certain currently unknown direction.

Jul 7, 2005, 10:06 am	#42 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	That, Mr Trotsky, is exactly how they want you to think. They want to fuel hatred and make you react. I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

Jul 7, 2005, 10:18 am	#44 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 6,351	A sentiment expressed by many regarding 9/11, but somewhat inappropriate right now, Athena. Not until we know who did it and what reasons they give. I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Jul 7, 2005, 10:25 am	#47 (permalink) (top)
Savant The Electric Messiah Location: California Posts: 145	I've asked my friends in london if they are OK, and they replied: "No, we are all dead." and "We are OK, I haven't asked the dead people yet." It's nice to see the Bri'ish keep that Bri'ish humor even during tragic times... My deepest sympathies to any of you who are in the UK or have family or friends there. When religious fundamentalism strikes, we all lose. :( Economic Left/Right: -3.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72 Never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain. J. K. Rowling

Jul 7, 2005, 10:31 am	#51 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	I will walk to Victoria or Farringdon and get a train south...pain in the butt though. I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

Jul 7, 2005, 11:01 am	#57 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	That is the magic question though isnt it. What was intended. I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

Jul 7, 2005, 10:19 am	#45 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	Power surges don't result in explosions. You'd need an explosive material for that.

Jul 7, 2005, 10:37 am	#54 (permalink) (top)
ibm Igneous Magma Posts: 672	i agree. you have to know the fact before commenting on it.

Jul 7, 2005, 11:12 am	#58 (permalink) (top)
Trotsky Stront vir breins Location: Buckinghamshire, UK Posts: 540	murder, cruelty and mayhem I think Samil. " UKIP -- the United Kingdom Independence Party, the golf club version of the BNP, British National Party. " Middle East.. "The vile leading the stupid to kill the decent in the name of the holy."

Jul 7, 2005, 11:14 am	#59 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,016	So does anybody still believe Al Qaeda and their cohorts are freedom fighters? They're murderers!! They should be hunted down and eliminated with no mercy shown.

Jul 7, 2005, 11:16 am	#60 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	Maybe but for what purpose. Acts like these are seldom without purpose. The question is, is the purpose simply revenge for past acts or are they trying to influence people to go in a certain currently unknown direction. I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)