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gr8fuldaniel · Jul 4, 2005, 12:29 am

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG3FDI5OA1.DTL

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Russia and China call for an end to world 'domination'
David Holley, Los Angeles Times

Saturday, July 2, 2005
Moscow -- Russia and China, teaming up in a thinly veiled attack on perceived U.S. efforts to dominate the world, issued a declaration Friday demanding respect for the right of all countries to develop free of outside interference.

Signed by Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Hu Jintao on the second day of a summit here, the declaration denounced "the aspiration for monopoly and domination in international affairs" and called for an end to "attempts to divide nations into leaders and those being led."

While not mentioning the United States directly, the "Declaration on World Order in the 21st Century" left no doubt that Washington was its main target.

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And after Pootey-Poot let Dubya drive his car around the block. Wheres the loyalty anymore?
But seriously, do you think we could be in trouble in the short term? Long Term?
I thought I noticed a hint of incredulity in the way Putin looked at bush. That look spoke volumes.

Punkbuster · Jul 4, 2005, 07:36 am

China and Russia telling America not to get too serious about exporting that democracy stuff, they have internet cafe's to shut down, oil business men to railroad to prison and elections to rig, they dont want to deal with ANY country stopping them from takin care of business. And in China's case REALLY wanting to run the world.

'What can the worlds most proseprous country do for the worlds most populated country"? Chou En-Lai asked of Richard Nixon in 1972. China intends to be the most prosperous country- one way or another (Capturing Tiawan is for sure on the agenda) and then they won't have to ask such demeaning questions and bother with silly concepts like America and Democracy.

oranged · Jul 4, 2005, 08:08 am

I'm surprised the three fascist countries can't get along. If America got in on this allience, the three countries would be unstopably destructive in their domination of the planet.

Nono · Jul 4, 2005, 11:50 am

Yeah, the Russians and Chinese are fine ones to talk.

Anyway, the Russians aren't up to dominating anyone at the moment but nearby and weak entities.
As for the Chinese, if they want to hobble the US all they have to do is pull the plug on the dollar. They could do that tomorrow.

So this is so much hot air, much though I agree with them that the US could use a strong dose of humility.

tman_ndsu08 · Jul 4, 2005, 01:17 pm

The olympics are way overblown.

They used to be only for sports that didn't already have a major professional league (track, swimming, wrestling, etc.). Now baseball, basketball, soccer, etc. are all part of it when they have no business being a part of it.

**Matt W** · Jul 4, 2005, 07:29 pm

Wtf have the olympics go to do with the topic?? Try & stay focussed, tman.

Milton Bradley · Jul 5, 2005, 11:13 am

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Quote by: gr8fuldaniel

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG3FDI5OA1.DTL

And after Pootey-Poot let Dubya drive his car around the block. Wheres the loyalty anymore?
But seriously, do you think we could be in trouble in the short term? Long Term?
I thought I noticed a hint of incredulity in the way Putin looked at bush. That look spoke volumes.

Putin knows a back stabbing, lying, criminal when he sees one.

I see this declaration to be yet more evidence that the conspiracy theorists are right.

By them saying that the U.S. denies sovereign nations to "develop without outside interference", and "the aspiration for monopoly and domination in international affairs" and called for an end to "attempts to divide nations into leaders and those being led", they say the same thing that the "Conspiracy Theorists" are always trying to inform people about. There is no more free market, there is no more playing by ones own rules. You will follow the bully, or you will be destroyed. Its the same policy they advocate here at home on an international level.

tman_ndsu08 · Jul 5, 2005, 11:19 am

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Quote by: Matt W

Wtf have the olympics go to do with the topic?? Try & stay focussed, tman.

China and Russia have agreed to stop the US from being the top medal winner in the Olympics as part of this deal.

**Matt W** · Jul 5, 2005, 11:22 am

What a bunch of arse, tman. Stop trolling, try and contribute!

**Sean** · Jul 5, 2005, 12:00 pm

stay on topic guys...this is a serious debate forum. If you want to joke around then please use the general discussion forum.

tman_ndsu08 · Jul 5, 2005, 01:05 pm

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Quote by: Matt W

What a bunch of arse, tman. Stop trolling, try and contribute!

What's a bunch of arse?

I'm not lying. They made a pact to dethrone the US at the 2008 olympics.

ibm · Jul 5, 2005, 01:19 pm

there are doings. there are undoings or "anti-doings". it's that simple.

castille · Jul 6, 2005, 12:03 am

Oddly enough, China is the single country in the threesome who has done the least interfering with other countries.

How many countries has the US/Russia destroyed, maimed, crippled, and blown up in their petty little cold war?

How many has China?

The numbers speak for themselves. Russia's right to criticise might be a bit sketchy, but China has every right to demand for an end to interfering with other countries' affairs.

**Matt W** · Jul 6, 2005, 03:34 am

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I'm not lying. They made a pact to dethrone the US at the 2008 olympics.

Source?? And again, what has this got to do with the topic at hand?

tman_ndsu08 · Jul 6, 2005, 11:43 am

Sports Illustrated July 2005.

The topic is that china and russia are teaming up on the US. This is a sub topic of that.

Jul 4, 2005, 07:36 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Punkbuster Molten Ash Posts: 56	China and Russia telling America not to get too serious about exporting that democracy stuff, they have internet cafe's to shut down, oil business men to railroad to prison and elections to rig, they dont want to deal with ANY country stopping them from takin care of business. And in China's case REALLY wanting to run the world. 'What can the worlds most proseprous country do for the worlds most populated country"? Chou En-Lai asked of Richard Nixon in 1972. China intends to be the most prosperous country- one way or another (Capturing Tiawan is for sure on the agenda) and then they won't have to ask such demeaning questions and bother with silly concepts like America and Democracy. "What the hell kind of country has this become if I can only hate a man if he's white?" Hank Hill - King of the Hill

Jul 4, 2005, 08:08 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
oranged fanatic and profound Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 335	I'm surprised the three fascist countries can't get along. If America got in on this allience, the three countries would be unstopably destructive in their domination of the planet. "It is not power that corrupts but fear. Fear of losing power corrupts those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who are subject to it."- Aung San Suu Kyi

Jul 4, 2005, 11:50 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Nono Throbbing Member Location: Old Europe Posts: 6,443	Yeah, the Russians and Chinese are fine ones to talk. Anyway, the Russians aren't up to dominating anyone at the moment but nearby and weak entities. As for the Chinese, if they want to hobble the US all they have to do is pull the plug on the dollar. They could do that tomorrow. So this is so much hot air, much though I agree with them that the US could use a strong dose of humility. "I wish I was as cocksure of anything as Tom Macaulay is of everything." -- Viscount Melbourne

Jul 4, 2005, 07:29 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 5,716	Wtf have the olympics go to do with the topic?? Try & stay focussed, tman. I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Jul 5, 2005, 11:22 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 5,716	What a bunch of arse, tman. Stop trolling, try and contribute! I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Jul 4, 2005, 01:17 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	The olympics are way overblown. They used to be only for sports that didn't already have a major professional league (track, swimming, wrestling, etc.). Now baseball, basketball, soccer, etc. are all part of it when they have no business being a part of it.

Jul 5, 2005, 12:00 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
Sean former overlord Location: New York Posts: 2,383	stay on topic guys...this is a serious debate forum. If you want to joke around then please use the general discussion forum. So it goes

Jul 5, 2005, 01:19 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
ibm Igneous Magma Posts: 672	there are doings. there are undoings or "anti-doings". it's that simple.

Jul 6, 2005, 12:03 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Oddly enough, China is the single country in the threesome who has done the least interfering with other countries. How many countries has the US/Russia destroyed, maimed, crippled, and blown up in their petty little cold war? How many has China? The numbers speak for themselves. Russia's right to criticise might be a bit sketchy, but China has every right to demand for an end to interfering with other countries' affairs. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Jul 6, 2005, 11:43 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	Sports Illustrated July 2005. The topic is that china and russia are teaming up on the US. This is a sub topic of that.