Canada Passes Controversial Gay Marriage Bill

[rcne]

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...sex050628.html

Same-sex marriage law passes 158-133 CBC News: The Liberals' controversial same-sex marriage legislation has passed final reading in the House of Commons, sailing through in a 158-133 vote. Supported by most members of the Liberals, the Bloc Québécois and the NDP, the legislation passed easily, making Canada only the third country in the world, after the Netherlands and Belgium, to officially recognize same-sex marriage. But the passage of Bill C-38, once again, came with a political price tag for the government. Joe Comuzzi, resigned from the cabinet so he could vote against the bill – an open rebuke of the government legislation.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...sex050628.html

Oh Canada the land of wonder?? I wonder how long this common law of the land will last. Canada now becomes the third nation to endorse same-sex marriage; is this the Canadian model of society ofttimes spoken of?

Canada just may be the Libertarian Capital of the world - not that thats a bad thing, I'm just curious to see how this social experiment works out.

This Bill C-38 may not survive through the next election, but it is going to be interesting to see how Canadians adjust to the new order.

Good Luck to all members from Canada.

[dotcoma]

Well what a victory for human tolerance this was. Canadians have always been innovative when it comes to treating everyone the same.

[tman_ndsu08]

Canada just may be the Libertarian Capital of the world

UHHHH....this is a joke, right?

I mean, you know that Canada has one of the highest taxes in the world, national health care, etc. All the things that Libertarians are AGAINST?

[rcne]

Should have been Liberal-istic, or an alternative description -

Libertarian

n : someone who believes the doctrine of free will

After all isn't this the crux of bill - the freedom of gays to marry?

[lsbskins1]

I wonder, if Canada does not get hit by a comet or suffer earthquakes and famine and pestilence, will Pat Robertson and his ilk allow that possibly God does not punish nations in this way. Maybe even admit that tolerance and equality under the law will not lead to the down fall of the Western world...

[Nono]

Quote by: Isb Will Pat Robertson and his ilk allow that possibly God does not punish nations in this way?

Oh ah'm sure Robertson could arrange to nuke Saskatoon or something (jest ta save Gawd the trouble).

As for liberal, which is the term I think rcne is groping for (I notice that Americans scamper away from it these days), Canada's national motto is actually "peace, order and good government". Canadians by and large definitely believe in the virtues of government.

[rcne]

http://www.newsocialist.org/

Candada may be a new type of socialist or neo-socialist government.

What is the NEW SOCIALIST GROUP (NSG)? We are an organization of socialist activists. We publish NEW SOCIALIST, a magazine offering radical analysis of politics, social movements and culture. Our website and magazine are forums for people who want to strengthen today's activism and for those who wish to replace global capitalism with a genuinely democratic socialism. We believe that the liberation of the working class and oppressed peoples can be won only through their own struggles. We invite you to find out more and to work with or join us.

Nono just plain liberal seems not quite the word I was grouping for. Canada has liberal ideals supported by socialist tendencies.

Canada may be evolving into a new type of socialist or neo-socialist government.

[Nono]

Quote by: rcne Canada may be evolving into a new type of socialist or neo-socialist government.

Most Canadians would doubtless smile wanly at that. As far as actual socialism is concerned, Canada is in the grip of the same lean'n'mean freaks as the rest of the Western world these days, and income redistribution (to me that's what socialism means) is suffering one reverse after another.

I think what you mean really is liberal -- "Whatever's right, just leave me in peace to get on with my own life."

[Paul]

In preamble of 'The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms' states that, "Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law:"

For thousands of years in all culture and in all religious traditions it has been recognized/believed that marriage is between male and female, which is husband and wife. When the marriage takes place there is the groom [male] and the bride [female] who come together to make a covenant, hopefully in the presence of God, to be married. Now, in this last generation many have over ruled the supremacy of God by saying, it is Right for the groom to marry the groom and the bride to marry the bride.

158 members of parliament have willfully, or in ignorance, over ruled the principles that recognize the supremacy of God on the definition of marriage. Also, the vote on Tuesday June 28/05 to legalize same-sex marriage, to make it Law has made the preamble in The Canadian Charter a LIE, and to be TRUTHFUL the preamble should read "Canada is founded upon principles that DOES NOT recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law:" But as the preamble in The Canadian Charter is written now, it invites all those who recognize the supremacy of God on the subject of same-sex marriage to be heard and counted, even though it has been made into Law without the principles that recognize the supremacy of God.


May the Spirit of Love and Truth be within you and your deeds be accordingly.

Peace be with you, Paul Battig

[RickSp]

Interesting that both Canada and Spain legalized gay marriage in the same week. Now four countries, Belgium, the Netherlands, Canada and Spain have legalized gay marriage, while here in the land of the free and the home of the brave we have fallen back on our Purticantical intolerance. Glory Jee to Besus.

[belverron]

Quote by: Paul In preamble of 'The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms' states that, "Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law:"

It's a good thing we don't face that particular stumbling block in the U.S.

[Sean]

bump..to test forum function *ignore*

[DTB123]

Quote by: Paul In preamble of 'The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms' states that, "Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law:" 158 members of parliament have willfully, or in ignorance, over ruled the principles that recognize the supremacy of God on the definition of marriage. But as the preamble in The Canadian Charter is written now, it invites all those who recognize the supremacy of God on the subject of same-sex marriage to be heard and counted, even though it has been made into Law without the principles that recognize the supremacy of God.

Paul, you make some excellent points here. i was going to mention that preamble myself, but was glad to see you had put it here too.

Some have said to me "it's none of your business;" but the Preamble to The Canadian Charter Of Rights does by default extend the invitation for Christians to be invloved in this; yet the Government had effectually closed any fair debate or public input on same sex marriage. And BTW; IMHO many of the 158 that did vote in favor of the legislation only did it because Paul Martin would have seen to it that they lost their jobs had they not voted in favor. That is not by any stretch a democracy or a fair and honest relection of the will of the Canadian public's majority opinions, which are opposed to same sex marriage.

[PatrickHenry]

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/...05gay_marriage
Spain says "go" to gay marriage, too.

[belverron]

Quote by: DTB123 And BTW; IMHO many of the 158 that did vote in favor of the legislation only did it because Paul Martin would have seen to it that they lost their jobs had they not voted in favor.

That's politics for you. It works against me here in Texas; I'm glad some people are profiting from it elsewhere

[Nono]

Yeah, DTB, can you name a single parliamentary vote on anything where the whip isn't breathing down the members' necks? If you can say that about this vote, you can say it about any other vote as well.

And what is parliament there for but to vote on legislation?

[oranged]

Quote by: rcne Canada just may be the Libertarian Capital of the world

I'd say that would be The Netherlands.

[belverron]

``As a Christian, I often ask myself: `What would Jesus do?','' Marilyn Trenholme Counsell, a New Brunswick Liberal, said Wednesday. ``In this case, in this time, I believe he would say `Yes.'''

Apparently many of the Liberals believe their actions are consistent with the preamble to the Charter.

[DTB123]

Quote by: Nono Yeah, DTB, can you name a single parliamentary vote on anything where the whip isn't breathing down the members' necks? If you can say that about this vote, you can say it about any other vote as well. And what is parliament there for but to vote on legislation?

Very true Nono