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    Quote Quote by: soothsayer View Post
    I'm "crazy enough to believe" the Marxists' own words when they clearly spell-out their intentions to dominate the world and eliminate personal freedom using the hoax of Global Warming:



    Global Warming - A Socialist Perspective


    Go give up your own freedom and individual property rights... set the example.
    Better yet, kill yourself. You're expelling too much CO2.
    So you're talking about some fringe Trotskyite organization and claiming the people behind it are responsible for the theory of AGW?
    Did you read the "about us" section? At their 2008 international conference, they had 350 members show up.
    Obviously, it's a small group with no influence, yet they've somehow convinced thousands of scientists to go along with this supposed scheme? The article doesn't say what you claim it says, either.

    I honestly think you need medical help. Thank you for suggesting I kill myself, and happy holidays to you, too.

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    Quote Quote by: soothsayer View Post
    An illustrative tidbit from:
    Workers World [Sam Marcy]: Yeltsin and the Soviet election (April 6, 1989)
    [Yevgeny Brakov ], director of the Zil limousine factory, the symbol of the highest privileges in the USSR, a country where the overwhelming majority do not yet have a modest automobile.

    Yeltsin as a member of the bureaucracy has one, yet nevertheless utilized this for demagogic purposes. The limousines are very visible in Moscow, as are long queues for necessary items. The contrast could not be greater.
    Which goes to show you the USSR was not actually a Marxist state. It was a fraud.

    Incidentally, should I kill myself now, or wait until Xmas morning?

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    Quote Quote by: Nono View Post
    Sooth (and perhaps others) will point to Stalin, Mao et al and hoot that communism is so totalitarian. But all of these utopian ideologies (including libertarianism) carry the seeds of totalitarianism since they know what's good for ya, dammit.

    But the only thing that actually works is a liberal-democratic government firmly regulating a mixed economy. Wild-eyed millenarian ideology don't make it.

    However, emergencies call for urgent action. A rapidly heating climate is an emergency.
    I completely agree. I favor something similar to a Keynesian approach.

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    Which goes to show you the USSR was not actually a Marxist state. It was a fraud.
    I'm encouraged that you're sharpening your ability to identify frauds.
    Take another look at AGW while you're at it.

    If it doesn't become clear how fraudulent it is, then by all means, pursue your crusade to the fullest measure of your convictions:

    Church of Euthanasia

    The One Commandment:
    "Thou shalt not procreate"

    The Four Pillars:
    suicide abortion
    cannibalism sodomy



    Church of Euthanasia

    But all of these utopian ideologies (including libertarianism) carry the seeds of totalitarianism since they know what's good for ya, dammit.
    Wrong. Libertarianism may profess a vision of what is possible under limited govt (in case U.S. history isnt sufficient evidence) but the key inconvenient difference is that a limited govt does not prevent totalitarians from creating their own societies within its scope.

    Any other form of govt requires ever-increasing force.


    The funny thing is about these marxists anywhere is the amusing progression of their denials... just re read the threads:

    First, marxists dont exist, then they are insignificant, then they have nothing to with GW, then, when their predominance over the Copenhagen sunmit is pointed out, then they are "egalitarian".

    Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria.

    The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled
    and those who have no such desire.

    Those whose desire it is to see others controlled rarely admit it.

    In the spirit of the season, I'll grant that perhaps some are deluded from seeing it.

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    Quote Quote by: soothsayer View Post
    I'm encouraged that you're sharpening your ability to identify frauds.
    Take another look at AGW while you're at it.

    If it doesn't become clear how fraudulent it is, then by all means, pursue your crusade to the fullest measure of your convictions:
    What crusade? I made it clear earlier that my concern was about peak oil. Are you ~ever~ honest?

    The funny thing is about these marxists anywhere is the amusing progression of their denials... just re read the threads:

    First, marxists dont exist, then they are insignificant, then they have nothing to with GW, then, when their predominance over the Copenhagen sunmit is pointed out, then they are "egalitarian".
    Who are you claiming said these things?

    Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria.

    The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled
    and those who have no such desire.
    Deep thoughts, by Jack Handy.
    Could you possibly be any more simplistic?

    Those whose desire it is to see others controlled rarely admit it.
    In the spirit of the season, I'll grant that perhaps some are deluded from seeing it.
    Uh huh, or deluded into seeing what isn't there. I hear Lithium can help.

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    Quote Quote by: rmnunez
    People questioning the accuracy of IPCC models, the credibility of certain scientific advocates, the viability of some proposals or concerted capacity to change the climate, are dismissed as part of the problem.
    Interesting. Then perhaps you can show us where on this board I, or Nono, or Pooey, or Thanatos, or Jack, or Gemini Brian, or RickSp, or any of the other usual suspects have advocated the "IPCC model".

    You are no different than the creationists who deny the irrefutable science of evolution simply because it conflicts with their ancient dogma.

    Global Warming skeptics deny the science because;

    A) they can't stand Al Gore and hate that he's being held up as some sort of celebrity hero.

    B) they can't stand the UN because it refuses to be a U.S. puppet.

    C) they see GW as a threat to the sanctity of the free market because it might necessitate government regulations.

    Rm, I've read your posts on this board for years now, and to my mind you remain one of the most intelligent, clear headed, thoughtful and respected conservative thinkers here. Which is why it breaks my heart to see you falling for this claptrap.

    AGW is not about politics... it's not about Al Gore or the UN. It's not some liberal conspiracy to rule the world, any more than 9/11 was Bush/CIA conspiracy to justify invading Iraq. It's about SCIENCE and the overwhelming scientific evidence! Period.

    If you, of all people, can't comprehend the difference, well then I simply despair for our world. I really do. If these people can overcome partisanship and accept the facts, why can't you?

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    Rum is extremely knowledgeable, but handicapped by blinding bigotry.
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    Me and my boys had a wonderful time in nature on the back of our property a couple weeks ago.

    The younger one worked a rake, collecting the dry leaves from the huge oak trees there. Me? I worked my chainsaw and cut down a lot of smaller trees, bush and thicket while my older boy dragged it off.

    We piled all the cut wood, leaves etc into a huge pile maybe 12ft diameter and probably 6-7 feet tall.
    It took almost 2 gallons of gasoline to get it actually burning for the freshly cut wood. Once it really caught and began to burn, thick clouds of CO2, CO, soot and particulates appeared like a towering tribute straight up into the sky.
    It took about 2 days for that 6foot pile to reduce itself to only ankle high.

    It was great for family time, and I was able to show my boys how to safely prepare and burn such a large inferno.

    I can only wonder if Father Gore (As opposed to Mother Earth) would approve, or condemn us to ridicule, torture or death for our Earthly sins.

    I will only have to brand myself a Pagan or Heretic- Since I'm not a member of their Church.

    (Yes this is facetious, except we really did do the glorious fire)

    But I do wonder how many here would outlaw that quality family time for the sake of their faith.

    I think I read somewhere long ago that Father Gore wants catalytic converters put on all lawn mowers, hedge trimmers and any small internal combustion engine. I don't know if it's true but it's consistent with his other crazy views.
    I assume you'd have to have a government license to operate your gas-powered chain saw like you do for your car.
    Oops, maybe not the chain saw as it would no doubt be outlawed and deemed offensive to Mother Earth.

    Want a new gas powered edge trimmer from Home Depot? Don't forget to send that Federal emission test tax first! (Did I say tax? ... I forgot the new word for it is "Fee")

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    Quote Quote by: Georgia
    I can only wonder if Father Gore (As opposed to Mother Earth) would approve, or condemn us to ridicule, torture or death for our Earthly sins.

    I think I read somewhere long ago that Father Gore wants catalytic converters put on all lawn mowers, hedge trimmers and any small internal combustion engine.
    See what I mean?


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    Quote Quote by: Sonart View Post
    .See what I mean?
    Yes, exactly. We don't dare question, do we? Just accept it.

    But on a very serious note, I'd like to wish Sonart and everyone else here (Even Nono) a very merry Christmas to you and your family.

    If you don't believe in Christmas then have a geat holiday.
    If you don't believe in holiday then just have a great 'ol time and enjoy yourself.

    Hele kaleke moga
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    Quote Quote by: Georgia View Post
    Want a new gas powered edge trimmer from Home Depot? Don't forget to send that Federal emission test tax first! (Did I say tax? ... I forgot the new word for it is "Fee")
    I wasn't too far off.
    Turns out he's not promoting catalytic converters, heck he wants them gone altogether:
    Al Gore Support Center 2008 :: A Reality Based Organization Fighting For Al Gore!

    Al Gore's legacy will be the death of the internal combustion engine during his lifetime, an idea much closer to fruition today then when it was first proposed in Gore's book Earth In the Balance in 1992.
    And

    Now how about giving Al Gore a little credit for being a visionary in calling for the elimination of combustion engines. Bold, visionary environmental ideas, that will be Al Gore's legacy
    Al Gore being "Bold" ... "Visionary" .... Hmmm. I've heard that somewhere before.
    If they didn't believe it themselves, I might think they read it right from the AlGoreSupportCenter.

    Back when my walk-behind mower died I was looking for a replacement. We had just moved onto a new property much larger than before. I needed something more substantial.

    I did a lot of research and really wanted to find an automatic system which would take care of itself. One possibility was the Robo Mower



    Since it is electric, the wimpy non-ICE can't do my property alone, I'd have to buy 3-4 of them to get the yard done. I was very dissappointed cuz I thought it was cool.

    So I ended up buying a 28HP ICE, CO2 belching lawn tractor. That was almost 10 years ago. Almost time for a new one :-) Had I bought the electric job, I'd have to buy all those expensive replacement battery packs over those years.

    Speaking of tractors, Imagine for a moment Al Gore achieved his lagacy. The death of the ICE.
    Farm tractors and combines running on wimpy, cost inefficent batteries or dragging a power cable behind. I can think of a dozen terrible consequences in the name of Al Gore's visionary legacy.

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    Quote Quote by: Georgia
    Yes, exactly. We don't dare question, do we? Just accept it.
    Questioning is fine, Georgia, but eventually you have to accept that some questions have been answered.

    As I already pointed out, the only reasons that normally reasonable people (who all just happen to be politically conservative) insist on continuing to question AGW is because:

    A) they can't stand Al Gore and hate that he's being held up as some sort of celebrity hero.

    B) they can't stand the UN because it refuses to be a U.S. puppet.

    C) they see GW as a threat to the sanctity of the free market because it might necessitate government regulations.

    the only other logical reason ('logical' meaning 'understandable') being...

    D) denial based on fear. People don't want to believe that something so potentially terrifying can be true, so... LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA ...they just decide not to listen, grasping for any reasons that it might not be true.

    Quote Quote by: Georgia
    Al Gore being "Bold" ... "Visionary" .... Hmmm. I've heard that somewhere before. If they didn't believe it themselves, I might think they read it right from the AlGoreSupportCenter.
    We get it.. you hate Al Gore. You drank the Karl Rove cool-aide in the 2000 campaign and believed all the lies designed to make Gore look like a liar, all the better to connect him to the hated 'Liar-in-Chief" Bill Clinton, and get Boy George elected.

    None of that changes the FACT that Al Gore, more than any other person in American politics, was ahead of the curve on the two most significant scientific concepts affecting mankind as we entered the 21st century... the Internet and Global Warming ...and no amount of ridicule or nitpicking Gore's character flaws or attacking his policy solutions will ever change that.

    Quote Quote by: Georgia
    But on a very serious note, I'd like to wish Sonart and everyone else here (Even Nono) a very merry Christmas to you and your family.
    And to all a good night.

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