Baghdad set for US pullback party

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: barnhardt2010 ???? Whatever helps you get through the day.

LOL, even your own source states that yellowcake is nowhere near bomb-grade uranium metal. saddam didn't even have the facilities to process yellowcake into anything usable.

Quote by: barnhardt2010 Here, I'll use your source Soooo where is this "bogus claim, already debunked". Youve only confirmed my claim.

Here, I'll use your source, evidently you didn't read it.

""The French came in the middle of my deliberations at the CIA and said, we have just spun aluminum tubes, and by god, we did it to this RPM, et cetera, et cetera, and it was all, you know, proof positive that the aluminum tubes were not for mortar casings or artillery casings, they were for centrifuges. Otherwise, why would you have such exquisite instruments? We were wrong. We were wrong.""

[Praxius]

Related Update: (Clearly the Iraqis are now more open to expressing themselves further with the US off their streets)

Anti-US protest marks start of Biden's Iraq trip
Anti-US protest marks start of Biden's Iraq trip | World Breaking News | News.com.au

A FIERY protest marked the start of US Vice President Joe Biden's visit to Iraq, with supporters of the Shi'ite anti-American cleric Moqtada al-Sadr burning the Stars and Stripes....... ..... A stark reminder of the legacy inherited by Mr Obama's administration, however, came in Sadr City, where hundreds of supporters of Sadr, who is in self-imposed exile, chanted anti-US slogans. "No, no America, no, no occupation. Yes, yes Iraq," they shouted as an American flag was reduced to ashes in the sprawling Baghdad Shi'ite district....... ..... Iraq marked Tuesday's American pullback with a national holiday. The country's 500,000 police and 250,000 soldiers are now in charge in cities, towns and villages. Most of the 133,000 US troops, now based outside of cities, will largely play a training and support role. Under the Status of Forces Agreement signed in November, US commanders must now seek Iraqi permission to conduct operations, but their troops retain a unilateral right to "legitimate self-defence".

[barnhardt2010]

Quote by: Zeebadee LOL, even your own source states that yellowcake is nowhere near bomb-grade uranium

LOLOLOL!!!! You people crack me up. Had I claimed that Saddam attempted to import "bomb-grade uranium" from Africa, you would of had a point. I didnt, but congratulations on yet another strawman argument defeated by the mighty looney left.

Quote by: Zeebadee ""The French came in the middle of my deliberations at the CIA and said, we have just spun aluminum tubes, and by god, we did it to this RPM, et cetera, et cetera, and it was all, you know, proof positive that the aluminum tubes were not for mortar casings or artillery casings, they were for centrifuges. Otherwise, why would you have such exquisite instruments? We were wrong. We were wrong.""

I know you dont understand, but you are only confirming my statement.

[barnhardt2010]

Quote by: Praxius Related Update: (Clearly the Iraqis are now more open to expressing themselves further with the US off their streets)

Where have you been hiding for the last 7 years? Moqtada al-Sadr and his followers have always been open to such expressions.

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: barnhardt2010 LOLOLOL!!!! You people crack me up. Had I claimed that Saddam attempted to import "bomb-grade uranium" from Africa, you would of had a point. I didnt, but congratulations on yet another strawman argument defeated by the mighty looney left.

You claimed saddam was importing Uranium. That's not yellowcake. Your words:

"Just like it was Britain that reported to us that Saddam was attempting to purchase Uranium"


u⋅ra⋅ni⋅um
  /yʊˈreɪniəm/ Show Spelled [yoo-rey-nee-uhm]

–noun Chemistry.
a white, lustrous, radioactive, metallic element, occurring in pitchblende, and having compounds that are used in photography and in coloring glass. The 235 isotope is used in atomic and hydrogen bombs and as a fuel in nuclear reactors. Symbol: U; atomic weight: 238.03; atomic number: 92; specific gravity: 19.07.

Now, since you made the claim, please provide some credible evidence that it's valid.

[barnhardt2010]

Quote by: Zeebadee You claimed saddam was importing Uranium. That's not yellowcake. Your words: "Just like it was Britain that reported to us that Saddam was attempting to purchase Uranium" u⋅ra⋅ni⋅um   /yʊˈreɪniəm/ Show Spelled [yoo-rey-nee-uhm] –noun Chemistry. a white, lustrous, radioactive, metallic element, occurring in pitchblende, and having compounds that are used in photography and in coloring glass. The 235 isotope is used in atomic and hydrogen bombs and as a fuel in nuclear reactors. Symbol: U; atomic weight: 238.03; atomic number: 92; specific gravity: 19.07. Now, since you made the claim, please provide some credible evidence that it's valid.

Sorry, nothing there that contradicts my assertion.

Yellowcake (also called urania) is a kind of uranium concentrate Yellowcake - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the fact that I refered to it as "uranium" as opposed to the more accurate term "uranium concentrate" seems pretty irrelevant to your argument. Dont ya think?

[Praxius]

Quote by: barnhardt2010 Where have you been hiding for the last 7 years? Moqtada al-Sadr and his followers have always been open to such expressions.

Fully aware of this, but they've been a little more hush hush as of late until now.

Might have something to do with the US forces killing off his supporters and launching a large scaled campaign against his organization not too long ago.

[Deadeye]

Anyone know yet how many people have been killed so far because we pulled out, who would be alive today, if we had not?

[barnhardt2010]

Quote by: Praxius Fully aware of this, but they've been a little more hush hush as of late until now. Might have something to do with the US forces killing off his supporters and launching a large scaled campaign against his organization not too long ago.

Quote by: Praxius Clearly the Iraqis are now more open to expressing themselves further with the US off their streets

As usual, your perception of reality isnt even close to that reality. Muqtada and his supporters have felt free to protest since the day we drove Saddam from power. Before then it wasnt even anything they could conceive of doing. Your rabid, foaming at the mouth hatred of anything American clouds your judgement.

June 26,2009
Sadrist protesters took to the streets in Baghdad's Sadr City district and other cities after Friday prayers, burning American flags and denouncing the violence.
Motorcycle bombs kill 20 in Baghdad attacks - Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Channel 7 News Fox WSVN-TV

April 9, 2009
Supporters of anti-U.S. Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, seen in a poster at left, burn an effigy representing former U.S. President George W. Bush in central Baghdad, Thursday, April 9, 2009,
Radical Iraqi cleric Muqtada al-Sadr urges attacks on U.S. troops over Israel's Gaza war

March 22, 2009
In five other Iraqi cities, supporters of cleric Muqtada al-Sadr also either marched or stood in protest after prayers
The World Link : Protests mark 7 years of Iraq war

Dec. 31, 2008
Iraqi demonstrators burn a U.S. flag as men hold a poster showing radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr during a protest
Radical Iraqi cleric Muqtada al-Sadr urges attacks on U.S. troops over Israel's Gaza war

Nov. 14, 2008
Supporters of Shi'ite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr protest a proposed U.S.-Iraq security pact
Al-Sadr Throws Down the Gauntlet on US-Iraq Talks - TIME


May 31, 2008
Thousands of followers of Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al-Sadr protested Friday in Shiite enclaves across Iraq against plans for a long-term security pact that would allow for an extended U.S. military presence in the country.
Followers of al-Sadr protest U.S. presence

[Praxius]

Quote by: Deadeye Anyone know yet how many people have been killed so far because we pulled out, who would be alive today, if we had not?

Good Question, as I haven't been able to do my regular news reporting for the forums this week so far... lemmie check:

Nothing on BBC

CNN is just a bunch of Michael Jackson crap

CTV has nothing on Iraq

CBC seems to have nothing on Iraq

Global National has nothing either

Australia's News.com.au is mostly about Michael Jackson too

I'll do a google search for the last two-three days just to be sure:

...... Nothing that I can find.

Seems as though now that all the US troops are locked in their bases, all the various bombings stopped..... Hmmmm, interesting.

For now that is.

[barnhardt2010]

Quote by: Praxius Good Question, as I haven't been able to do my regular news reporting for the forums this week so far... lemmie check: Nothing on BBC CNN is just a bunch of Michael Jackson crap CTV has nothing on Iraq CBC seems to have nothing on Iraq Global National has nothing either Australia's News.com.au is mostly about Michael Jackson too I'll do a google search for the last two-three days just to be sure: ...... Nothing that I can find. Seems as though now that all the US troops are locked in their bases, all the various bombings stopped..... Hmmmm, interesting. For now that is.

At least you are consistant. From a google search

Gunmen killed five people in an attack on a security checkpoint in Baghdad, and a car bomb killed a man in the northern city of Mosul, Iraqi authorities said. .....attack in western Baghdad on Sunday night killed two Iraqi police officers and three soldiers. ..... car bomb Monday targeted a police patrol but missed, killing an 18-year-old man and injuring eight other bystanders. World Digest: Attacks Kill 6 in Baghdad and Mosul - washingtonpost.com

MOSUL - Gunmen shot dead an Iraqi soldier near a checkpoint and wounded two civilians in the volatile northern city of Mosul, MOSUL - Armed men killed two policemen on Monday at a checkpoint in Mosul, police said. MOSUL - Gunmen killed a civilian on Monday in a health clinic in Mosul, police said. MOSUL - Gunmen killed a policeman in a drive-by shooting in Mosul, police said. Relatives of the policeman returned fire at the attackers and killed one of them. FACTBOX-Security developments in Iraq, July 7 | Reuters

Baghdad - One civilian was killed and another was injured on Tuesday in separate incidents in the northern Iraqi city of Baquba, One civilian killed, another injured in north Iraq - Monsters and Critics_

BAGHDAD, July 2 (Xinhua) -- At least two people were killed and17 others injured in a car bomb and a roadside bomb explosions near and in the Iraqi capital on Thursday, a well-informed police source said.... Meanwhile, two more people were wounded when a roadside bomb went off near the Sarrafiyah Bridge that cross the Tigris River in central Baghdad... Earlier in the day, an Iraqi police source said that first Iraqi soldier after the U.S. troops' withdrawal from Iraqi cities and towns was killed and 10 people were wounded, including two soldiers, when a roadside bomb explosion hit an Iraqi Army vehicle near the Abu Nawas corniche in the morning. 2 killed, 17 injured in Iraq bomb attacks _English_Xinhua

Authorities say a roadside bomb struck an Iraqi army patrol in the capital Thursday, killing an Iraqi soldier and wounding at least eight others.... Officials say at least two people were killed and 15 others wounded in a car bombing south of Baghdad.... Meanwhile, police in the northern city of Kirkuk said gunmen shot and killed an Iraqi army officer near his home.... VOA News - Bombings Kill at Least 3 in Baghdad

[Praxius]

Quote by: barnhardt2010 At least you are consistant. From a google search washingtonpost.com

Interesting you ommited this part of the report:

Despite the violence, security has improved dramatically in Iraq. U.S. combat forces completed a pullout from Iraqi cities June 30.

The rest of your links seem to just report the same few incidences over again.

Regardless, the amount of people being killed now on average seems to be even lower then the average amount of people killed on an everyday basis in the US from regular crimes there..... you can't expect a perfect Utopia anywhere in the world, esspecially in Iraq, yet things seem to have dramatically improved overall since the US has gotten off the streets.

And my apologies that I didn't find reports to your liking and didn't spend a half hour looking for something trivial in comparison to prove a point.

My point is that most of the time, these type of massive attacks we hear about in Iraq have dropped considerably and don't seem to be enough to make it to the front pages of the news anymore and that overall, the situation is finally appearing to get under control by the Iraqis themselves.

This also goes to show that the majority of the violence was fueled by US pressence, which was my claim all along.

[barnhardt2010]

Quote by: Praxius Interesting you ommited this part of the report: Despite the violence, security has improved dramatically in Iraq. U.S. combat forces completed a pullout from Iraqi cities June 30.

Not sure of your point. The improvements they refer to are not in the last 6 days, silly

Quote by: Praxius The rest of your links seem to just report the same few incidences over again.

???? Nope, different attacks in different cities on different days.

Quote by: Praxius Regardless, the amount of people being killed now on average seems to be even lower then the average amount of people killed on an everyday basis in the US from regular crimes there.

What pointless irrelevancy having nothing to do with your assertions.

Quote by: Praxius .... you can't expect a perfect Utopia anywhere in the world, esspecially in Iraq, yet things seem to have dramatically improved overall since the US has gotten off the streets.

Not sure of your point. The improvements they refer to are not in the last 6 days, silly

Quote by: Praxius And my apologies that I didn't find reports to your liking

You didnt find ANY and claimed there were none.

Quote by: Praxius and didn't spend a half hour looking for something trivial in comparison to prove a point.

put Iraq and killed into google, clicked on "News" and they all appeared on the first page of search results. Did take me a few minutes to separate out the duplicate reports of the same incidence. And be honest now. You didnt even look for a minute

Quote by: Praxius My point is that most of the time, these type of massive attacks we hear about in Iraq have dropped considerably and don't seem to be enough to make it to the front pages of the news anymore and that overall, the situation is finally appearing to get under control by the Iraqis themselves.

The Iraqis themselves had it under control months ago. Im sure for years to come, you will blame any failures on the US, and any successes will be attributed to the Iraqis. Your claims in referece to Sadr and his supporters demonstrate my point beutifully. As well you assertions of no attacks since July 1. You simply distort reality to suit your own, preconceived views.

Quote by: Praxius This also goes to show that the majority of the violence was fueled by US pressence, which was my claim all along.

Well your little charade of pretending to not be able to find any reports of attacks, may have shown that. The real world show precisely the opposite.

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: Praxius Despite the violence, security has improved dramatically in Iraq. U.S. combat forces completed a pullout from Iraqi cities June 30.

I suspect that a lot of the violence has subsided simply due to the de facto partitioning of the country. Fear and violence has driven each faction to establish and move to their own sections of cities, with checkpoints to control access.