Study: Gays in military don't hurt ability to fight

[Rog]

Quote by: Jack Here's a thought on this topic that I haven't seen addressed. Perhaps someone who has served more recently than I can say if this is still true. As I mentioned, I enlisted (yup, beat the draft by enlisting...pretty smart, huh?) in the early 70s. I was not openly gay at that time, but I knew pretty well what interested me. Basic training was the only time we all bunked and showered together. I'm willing to bet anyone who has gone through basic will agree with me when I say that I can't remember once thinking about sex in basic. There's no time. Every moment of your day is filled with physical activity that could hardly be considered exciting. When you finally stumble off to bed, you're far too exhausted to want to do anything but sleep. Six hours later you're back at training. After basic you go to school, where the barracks are more dormitory-like. Males and females are barracked on the same floor. Since everyone's an adult (legally), separation was left to the individual. Gay or straight, everyone I knew was discreet and respectful about coupling. Granted, this was an MI unit. Conditions may have been different for my brethren in infantry units.

Yes you are right, it sounds about right with my experience.

[Sonart]

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Jack, would it also be fair to say that, having been through camp, jr. and sr. high school gym classes, etc, you were pretty well accustomed to showering with heterosexuals without constantly sporting massive boners?

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[Rainbow]

Quote by: Sonart Likewise, your nifty little formula says gays and straights can't function together in the military without dibilitating sexual tension, yet the reality is that do and have for generations, thank you very much... and even more so during times of war.

A completely absurdal determination.
It makes me think that a process of thinking seems to be an area you may not feel comfortable with.

I refrain from even analyzing the rest of your works and/or masterpiece, since it resembles some delusional and/or insane compositions.

Off Topic
To Volcanvo administrative body.
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Since Sonart's post has been accepted by Volcanvo administrative body without any repercussions - despite of offesive expressions addressed to me, I think I am entitled to proceed with it and/or apply quite adequate onomastics, as well.
I want your "go-ahead", guys.

Should I send my inquiry as the official correspondence to Volcanvo administrative body or this post is going to be recognized as formal request ?
I want your answers, guys.

Sonart's post : #60
Link : Study: Gays in military don't hurt ability to fight

[Aussie]

I think you should harden up.

Have you ever served? Because if not, i think you should stop right now as I and others who have, have already pointed out your wrong - FROM EXPERIENCE.

[Jack]

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[Deadeye]

Homosexuals cannot be allowed to act openly as homosexuals in the military. Here's why:

There is an almost magical bond among fighting men. Men who fight together fight for the lives of oneanother. This produces a reliance upon the the group that becomes love.....or almost love....or at least some kind of love (We need more words for love than just that one.)

The men sleep together, they snuggle up against oneanother when under attack. They hold one another when wounded, or injured. They shower together. The shower rooms are sometimes large.

Toss in one homosexual and a sexual element is thrown into the mix that the men will not like. It will cause a breakdown in the trust that the men have for oneanother. At sea homosexuals are sometimes tossed over the side.

Now, the men aren't stupid, and they know that some of them are likely to be homosexual but they ignor it because no one is acting out their homosexuality. If they do they are immediately removed from the ranks. In doing this we felt that we were protecting the men from the weaknesses homos cause in the ranks.

I was a drill sergeant. I was a basic training DI. Each man carried one shelter half. To make a functing tent they had to pair up and snap their two halves together. Then they'd crawl inside and go to sleep. If a man knew that the man he was ordered to sleep with is a homosexual it's very likely that he isn't going to want to sleep with/next to him. I can hear it now. "Hey Sarge I'm not going to sleep with this faggot!" The trainee says.

"Oh, yes you will, now get in there, and go to sleep!" The sergeant orders.

So the GI doesn't get good rest. He worries about the man next to him. The next day he's not as well prepared for his activities as are the other men. Maybe he acts out, and gets himself into trouble. Maybe his lack of rest causes him to drop a grenade. In short, it becomes a mess.

I was in the military for a very long time and in many different capacities. Once, when I was an officer in the Marine Corps I walked into the room of the man who shared the head with me and saw him laying on his rack with another man....they were wearing their skivvies and cuddled up while talking into a phone....I turned and walked out. I didn't mention it to anyone and the man never spoke to me again. We were not squadron mates, he flew a different aircraft than I did, but if we had been squadron mates it would have caused a problem; a loss of trust, a breakdown of the brotherhood that makes a squadron strong.

Sometimes after a unit is formed and the men are fighting together it's discovered that one of them is homosexual. Sometimes that man is accepted, but he has already become part of the group. He will be teased constantly. If he becomes a flaming homosexual they'll demand that he be removed....or worse yet something might happen to him.

In summary, homosexual men in the military weakens the bond between the men that is imperative to the formation of a military unit. Therefore homosexuals make a unit less effective and they hamper its combat effectiveness.

[ShadowFox]

Yet according to the study, homosexuality does not cause any noticeable harm.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Halofan48 Yet according to the study, homosexuality does not cause any noticeable harm.

I suspect that the person who performed the study had never been a drill sergeant. Which means that he probably didn't know what he was talking about. I also suspect that the person went into the study with a preconceived notion of what he wanted to find.

Furthermore you have entirely ignored by post. You have not debated a single element of it.

When I was "in" we didn't consider homosexuality. The first time I came in contact with it I was walking along the catwalk to my BOQ room at NAS Pensacola, FL. Standing at order arms, with loaded M-14rifles were two Marines stationed on either side of the front door of one of the rooms. I asked one what was going on. He said, "Sir, there's a queer officer in there, he's being processed for discharge. We are here to escort him off of the base." The guards were protecting the men from the homosexual, who was immediately discharged and we never saw hide nor hair of him again. He was a Navy Lieutenant, which means he'd been in the Navy for some time.

I just nodded and returned the Marine's salute and entered my room. No one questioned what was going on. We all knew that if someone was found to be homosexual he'd be immediately discharged. It wasn't an honorable discharge either, so it carried some negative weight with it.

I don't think it's much changed today, but I don't know what kind of discharge they are given.