Clinton camp denies she'll concede - Decision '08 - MSNBC.com

[LtMisha]

Clinton camp denies she'll concede - Decision '08 - MSNBC.com

CHICAGO - Hillary Rodham Clinton will acknowledge Tuesday night that Barack Obama has the delegates to secure the Democratic nomination, campaign sources told the Associated Press. After the report, her campaign promptly issued a statement saying, "Senator Clinton will not concede the nomination this evening." But the statement did not say Clinton wouldn't acknowledge Obama's delegate count, a move that would effectively end her bid to be the nation's first female president.

I did not think that Hilary would give up the ghost. In all honesty, last time I checked up, she was winning (that might have been a long time ago. Probably was.) Anyway, this is a rather extraordinary move, a point in history where Clinton gave up the race, the prize of which was presidency. She could have been the first female Yankee president.

Your thoughts?

[LtMisha]

Oh, buggerall. I forgot to put in the title. It's supposed to be Clinton camp denies she'll conceed.

[Thanatos]

She has to give up eventually, unless she wants McCain to win. That's a scary thought.

[LtMisha]

I'd rather McCain didn't win.

[linda_mary_13]

Clinton WANTS the White House. You get what you want if you want it bad enough. If she cann't get it through delegates then she'll have to get it another way. The delegates gave up on her, now she will give up the delegates. How? The debate that is going on right now. The Michelle Obama Whitey tape. Racism. Who is Obama? If this tape exists and we question Obama the delegates are going to have to step forward. They will be caught between a rock and a hardplace. Hillary has substantial public support. She will reap their ultimate vote and she will reap revenge all in one swoop.

It sounds dark, but politics are dark.

[Milton Bradley]

You know, I had pretty much written off the concept of "vote stealer", but this brings that discussion into a whole new light.


Hillary is a vote stealer.

[linda_mary_13]

Hillary is playing within the rules. So who really is the vote stealer?

or

Is it a play for the uninformed vote. There's lots of them up for grabs.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: linda_mary_13 Is it a play for the uninformed vote. There's lots of them up for grabs.

Ah, very perceptive.


Of course it's a play to win over the uninformed, the whole Democratic platform is a game to decieve the uninformed.


Good call.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: linda_mary_13 Hillary is playing within the rules. So who really is the vote stealer? or Is it a play for the uninformed vote. There's lots of them up for grabs.

I love the allusion to a vote for Obama being an "informed" vote.

[linda_mary_13]

I am suggesting the opposite. I am suggesting that we have an obligation to know if our leader is influenced by racism. To vote for Obama and not know the answer is uninformed. The question was raised by his membership to a racist church. This membership lasted 20 years. He associates with people who have radical views. His wife has made questionable public statements. An alledged tape of his wife making racist statements may exhist. Can a racist wife of a president, influence the decisions of the president? The president governs me. Will I be governed by racism?

[Apeman81]

Quote by: linda_mary_13 I am suggesting the opposite. I am suggesting that we have an obligation to know if our leader is influenced by racism. To vote for Obama and not know the answer is uninformed. The question was raised by his membership to a racist church. This membership lasted 20 years. He associates with people who have radical views. His wife has made questionable public statements. An alledged tape of his wife making racist statements may exhist. Can a racist wife of a president, influence the decisions of the president? The president governs me. Will I be governed by racism?

A very good question which has not been resolved yet.

[another day]

Hey linda, do me a favor and post the text of both rev. wright's racist comments, and michelle obama's racist comments.

I'm be really surprised if they existed.

It's such a messed up and disgusting reality that when we finally come to the possibility of the first black president of the united states, people are spreading rumors that HE is a racist. You don't want your country to be governed by racism? What the hell has been going on for the past 300 years??

[Apeman81]

Name a white candidate the could use the phrase "typical black woman" and still get elected to, not to mention stay in, office.

[linda_mary_13]

Do me a favor and post Trent Lott's remarks. He had to resign for showing up at a 100th birthday event for a sitting senator. The double standard is a killer. If it is relevant to Vanity Fair to publish Bill Clinton's behavior on the trail, why isn't it relevant to know if the Obamas adopted the philosophy of Black Liberation Theology. After all that is the church they belonged to until this week. Everyone is in agreement that racism is preached from that church.

[another day]

Quote by: linda_mary_13 Do me a favor and post Trent Lott's remarks. He had to resign for showing up at a 100th birthday event for a sitting senator. The double standard is a killer. If it is relevant to Vanity Fair to publish Bill Clinton's behavior on the trail, why isn't it relevant to know if the Obamas adopted the philosophy of Black Liberation Theology. After all that is the church they belonged to until this week. Everyone is in agreement that racism is preached from that church.

Who's trent lott? What does bill clinton or vanity fair have to do with this?

Why are you avoiding my question?

Why are you changing the subject?

It's because neither of them ever said anything racist. The fact that "everyone is in agreement" is only evidence that everyone, including you, has been duped by the distortion and falsehoods spread by propaganda machines.

So I ask you again, prove it, or concede your point and admit you were wrong. Rev. Wright never said anything racist, unless you think talking about white oppression of black people is racist.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Ah, very perceptive. Of course it's a play to win over the uninformed, Politics is a game to decieve the uninformed. Good call.

Fixed.

[linda_mary_13]

Any practice of segregation is racist and during the speech in either for the NAACP or the nation press club, he espoused segregational opinions of the black race.Look it up. He set aside his own race in ability to learn or something like that. The fact that his church is BLACK liberation theology is an act to segregate within the Christian church. Obama is for UNITY but prays in a segregated Christian church.

Again, the double standard. It's okay if blacks segregate themselves, but not white. It's okay if blacks are racist just whites aren't allowed. Actually, this argument is offered alot by blacks. The problem is it doesn't stand up to thoughtful reasoning.

[another day]

Quote by: linda_mary_13 Any practice of segregation is racist and during the speech in either for the NAACP or the nation press club, he espoused segregational opinions of the black race.Look it up. He set aside his own race in ability to learn or something like that.

OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. Admit it, you have no idea what you are talking about. I listened to the whole NAACP speech and it was mostly a big lighthearted comedy bit about the differences between black and white people in respect to music. His main point was that while black people are DIFFERENT from white people, that does not make them DEFICIENT (those were the words he used). Simply acknowledging a difference between races is not racism, it's realistic.

He spent about five minutes joking about how white people clap on the 1st and 3rd beats and black people clap on the 2nd and 4th beats... It was not malicious, and it's true for a great part, white and black people have different musical senses.

The fact that his church is BLACK liberation theology is an act to segregate within the Christian church. Obama is for UNITY but prays in a segregated Christian church.

It's not segregated. A white person could join, and infact there are white members in his church. But yes it is predominantly black. And guess what, the rest of the churches are predominantly white. People like to be around there own race... it's just the way the world is right now. Jeremiah Wright did nothing to encourage that. It's just the way people are. There is also the fact that a lot of white people are still racist and don't want to attend a church with a black minister and a lot of black members.

You emphasize the BLACK in Black liberation as if it's the KKK. Black liberation is only a civil rights movement for black people. Just like their are numerous groups for the civil rights of certain groups like women and homosexuals. Are pro-gay groups somehow "bigotted" because of their pro-gay agenda? No, they are only working for the rights of their common people.

Again, the double standard. It's okay if blacks segregate themselves, but not white. It's okay if blacks are racist just whites aren't allowed. Actually, this argument is offered alot by blacks. The problem is it doesn't stand up to thoughtful reasoning.

Whites "segregate" themselves all the time. There are countless all or mostly all white neighborhoods, private schools, public schools, churchs, companies, etc, etc.

It's not ok if blacks are racist, but you haven't shown Mr. Wright or Michelle Obama to be a racist so I will ignore that.

But I AM still waiting for those quotes which you have YET to supply, because you CANNOT because they DO NOT EXIST and this is all nothing but an exercise in unabashed slander and propaganda.

[linda_mary_13]

I am reading your remarks, Another Day knower of nothing, and I can't get past the first paragraph without remarking. I too heard the entire speech of Wright to the NAACP and the next nights event, National Press Club speech. That was no big light hearted comedy bit. If you think that, you are naive.

The words Reverend Wright chooses to use in his speech are not off the cuff. These words were thoughtfully placed there. The word deficient is a biblical term. Could you explain what he was referring to when he uttered that word?
Do you think he pulled it out of thin air?

Was it a comedy routine when Wright mocked the questioner at the Press dinner? His behavior wasn't funny it was inappropriate. Consistent inappropriate responses and sermons from the Black Liberation theologian.

How does this educated, wealthy couple, The Obamas, choose this man to be their spiritual mentor? Why do they choose Black Liberation Theology over typical Christianity. That decision alone gives you insight into who they are. I'm not saying they are bad, I'm saying they are what they are, members of the Black Liberation Theology.

[linda_mary_13]

I'm not sure what quotes you expect from me since I never told you I would provide quotes to you. I did say look it up yourself.

If you can't see the segregation and divisiveness of BLACK theology then you are BLIND. You do not approach Christianity in terms of the flesh in any way. It is the flesh that accounts for all evil.

Are you are saying that it would be appropriate to have a White Liberation church?