Va. Tech Families Tentatively Back Deal

[Anmon]

Quote by: Milton Bradley We're beisg asked ( told ) to trade liberty, for security. ( Which, in the end, cannot be garunteed anyway. )

Total security is never guaranteed, but someone to at least be there to take down these wackos is.
Your trade all freedoms for security is a very black and white argument to say the least.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Anmon Total security is never guaranteed, but someone to at least be there to take down these wackos is. Your trade all freedoms for security is a very black and white argument to say the least.

That's the nature of the debate in a free society.


You're either free, or you're not.

[Anmon]

Yes but your taking this to an extreme that probably wouldn't happen.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Anmon Yes but your taking this to an extreme that probably wouldn't happen.

That's easy to say from over there, but just look at all the authoritarian minded people that post in this forum simply looking to justify their own perverted view of oppressing people.


It has become contemporary culture to police everybody except yourself. ( Emulating the politicians they adore. )

[Anmon]

This wouldn't be oppressing people, in fact if it didnt happen, and these wackos keep coming into schools and offices and blowing people away, you can be assured that openly armed security with heavy firepower instantly at hand, will be in place soon instead, and maybe thats not such a bad idea.

[Whilletal]

I know this is obvious but maybe if we didn't have guns in the first place nobody would be shooting? Yes there might be a rise in stonings but its far harder to pull off multiple stonings that it is to shoot people. Just a thought.

[Anmon]

Agreed we would be a much safer society and be a lot better off without guns, although I am rather taken with them myself.
Have you ever walked through a field as the suns coming up with an expensive double barreled shotgun with beautiful mahogany stock un cocked under your arm, the loud thunderous blam, the smell of cordite after you blast at a target and the impact of the recoil into your shoulder
Its a beautiful beautiful experience.

[gela]

Anmon, I thought you were from Australia.

We are a society without guns.

[Domino]

This wouldn't be oppressing people, in fact if it didnt happen, and these wackos keep coming into schools and offices and blowing people away, you can be assured that openly armed security with heavy firepower instantly at hand, will be in place soon instead, and maybe thats not such a bad idea.

This goes bad as well: eventually, you'll get a crazy guard, who knows he only has one guard to kill before he can go on his killing rampage. I wouldn't object to the occasional peacekeeping hireling who is equipped with body armor, in addition to his gun, but for them to be the only armed citizens would be begging for trouble. The safest society is one in which everyone could be an undercover peacekeeper.

Of course, if someone thinks they're going to carry their assault rifle to class, they may soon find themselves being disarmed by a spontaneous posse of concerned citizens. Defense should be concealed, for an anticipated defense is a worthless defense. An openly armed citizen in an otherwise peaceful environment has abandoned defense, and is looking for an excuse, especially one who intends to have overwhelming force

Of course, if you've got to drive through gangland, by all means, get the AK out of the trunk. Hostile environments warrant overwhelming force, as it's the surest way to avoid conflict.

I know this is obvious but maybe if we didn't have guns in the first place nobody would be shooting? Yes there might be a rise in stonings but its far harder to pull off multiple stonings that it is to shoot people. Just a thought.

If this were possible, then, sure. Unfortunately, the march of technology goes on, and the tools and knowledge to make firearms are now available to the average mechanically-inclined hobbyist. Anyone who can build a miniaturized metal train set can probably make a gun, if they wish. Any car shop that can retool an engine could almost certainly make guns. And, of course, that's only if you want good guns: anyone can put powder and pebbles in a pipe and aim it.

Besides, it's not like guns are the best we're going to have. It wasn't long ago I saw a $2000 pen laser that would burn wood from a good distance away (although the web site no longer offers them, apparently). If they can put that in a pen, just think what they can put in a pistol.

[Anmon]

=Domino;496276]This goes bad as well: eventually, you'll get a crazy guard, who knows he only has one guard to kill before he can go on his killing rampage.

I'm sure the other guard would have noticed his partner is crazy, and would be ready for such an event to occur.

Of course, if you've got to drive through gangland, by all means, get the AK out of the trunk. Hostile environments warrant overwhelming force, as it's the surest way to avoid conflict.

Agreed, blow the bastards away if they attack, with all the force at your disposal. Don't hold back, and show no mercy.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: Whilletal I know this is obvious but maybe if we didn't have guns in the first place nobody would be shooting? Yes there might be a rise in stonings but its far harder to pull off multiple stonings that it is to shoot people. Just a thought.

Now, unless youre going to find a way to simultanuosly melt down every gun in the world, that's not going to happen. Plus, I don't know about you, but I'll take a bullet to the head or torso over a brutal hacking to death with a sword any day.

[Whilletal]

No doubt if given the choice I would prefer lethal injection. And of course there is no way to totally eliminate guns. I'm not saying I'm in favor of it. But it seems a simple case of math. Less guns available to people = less deaths by gun ( and to think I was afraid my degree wouldn't pay off). Of course we would have other forms of murder increase to take the place of some of those gun deaths. But I think overall murders as a whole (in the US) would drop. And before I get flamed no I am not claiming this to be fact just my opinion, yes I do own guns ( .40 browning dbl action, Mossberg 3 1/4 in 12ga and a .460 Weatherby) and no I do not like NASCAR or wrestling.

[Gods_Mercenary]

From what I've heard it's possible that in som case lethal injection is extremely painful, of course, we don't really know.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary From what I've heard it's possible that in som case lethal injection is extremely painful, of course, we don't really know.

So Long as They Die: Lethal Injections in the United States: VI. Botched Executions

Makes a damn good case for bringing back the old gillo in my opinion.

SSSSSSSHHHHHNNNNNKKK!!! dead in less than half a second, what could be more humane than that.

[Anmon]

Dp..

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Anmon So Long as They Die: Lethal Injections in the United States: VI. Botched Executions Makes a damn good case for bringing back the old gillo in my opinion. SSSSSSSHHHHHNNNNNKKK!!! dead in less than half a second, what could be more humane than that.

Actually, the brain lives on for a significant number of seconds after that. Enough that you still have control of your eyes for that short period of time.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 Actually, the brain lives on for a significant number of seconds after that. Enough that you still have control of your eyes for that short period of time.

Maybe, but you wont be in any pain, just a brief period of shock.
I think if I saw some one get their head chopped off and the head rolled to my feet and its eyes were looking at me and blinking in shock, I would be pretty freaked out to say the least.

[Gods_Mercenary]

I'd imagine the guillotine is more traumatic to the viewers than anyone else.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary I'd imagine the guillotine is more traumatic to the viewers than anyone else.

I doubt it, imagine being led up the steps and trying to keep it together so not to lose it in front of everyone, half of you would want to scream out your last words, and the other half to die with unshaking stoic dignity.
Also its not wise to have your last meal on the day of, or day before your execution or drink much fluids, your bowels loosen automatically when you die, its bad enough your head rolling around on the ground without your body lying in its own refuse, so adding further to your public shame.

[Gods_Mercenary]

That's all after you lose all consciousness. I'm not talking completely public humiliation, I'm just talking seeing someones head fly off, the veins of the neck spurting blood (and yes, the other end, crap) as opposed to being as instantly killed as you can be.