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Halofan48 · Apr 22, 2008, 07:42 pm

Then why ban them? Besides, i'm sure we've all cussed at some point in our lives in one way or another. Really, they are used to express anger or irritation.

gela · Apr 23, 2008, 05:54 am

Im generally not a swearer.

But if they applied a rule like this where I lived, every second word I say would be a swear word.

Why? Because I think its an infringement on my right to free speech, and I would rebel against it.

All they are doing is giving people something to rebebl against.

Hurt · Apr 23, 2008, 05:55 am

Control what people say.. then what they think..then what they do?

hm, I don't think that'd actually happen.. but rights infringement, yupyup.

Marilyn Monroe · Apr 23, 2008, 08:42 am

Personally, I like cussing, it's a great stress reliever.

I'm not keen on taking the Lord's name in vain, but I still do it a lot then apologize, and I do mean the apology.

I come from a long line of cussers, so this would be a tough habit for me to break.

xyzer · Apr 23, 2008, 12:08 pm

Now if someone would just define cussing and what cuss words are? Seems to me they mean different things to different people? The use of the MF word seems to be part of the ebonics culture though its frowned on by little old ladies and my generation? In one sub culture the words "yo Momma' can get your skull cracked! That aint cussing?
This whole idea, while good, is probably intended to increas civility but its too general to be anything more than a reminder.

Milton, I don't think Sonarts cacaphonous bowel sounds and unrelated photos can be considered cussing? He seems subject to reverse vertigo and makes sense once in a while!

Will_00 · Apr 23, 2008, 07:50 pm

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Then why ban them? Besides, i'm sure we've all cussed at some point in our lives in one way or another. Really, they are used to express anger or irritation.

It is still a sin.

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I come from a long line of cussers, so this would be a tough habit for me to break.

Pray - Self-Control.

Halofan48 · Apr 23, 2008, 08:04 pm

ONE. You cannot force the rules of your religion on others in this country, so sorry.
TWO you don't need to pray to have self control. Really, to read some of the posts on here require a good deal of self control as to not flip out on them.

Compugasm · Apr 23, 2008, 08:33 pm

Does the word "Frack" drive anyone else crazy? They say it on Battlestar Galactica and it really irrates me.

Will_00 · Apr 25, 2008, 04:18 pm

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ONE. You cannot force the rules of your religion on others in this country, so sorry.
TWO you don't need to pray to have self control. Really, to read some of the posts on here require a good deal of self control as to not flip out on them.

I am not "forcing" a "religion" on anyone. I do have self-control.

Halofan48 · Apr 25, 2008, 06:17 pm

By banning the use of certain words due to the fact that it is considered wrong by certain religions is forcing your religious beliefs on others. You'd be saying "You can't say this because my religion says its evil to say these words"

Will_00 · Apr 25, 2008, 06:30 pm

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By banning the use of certain words due to the fact that it is considered wrong by certain religions is forcing your religious beliefs on others. You'd be saying "You can't say this because my religion says its evil to say these words"

Even morally, it is wrong.

Halofan48 · Apr 25, 2008, 06:33 pm

A word cannot be "morally wrong" Perhaps the way it is meant, but not the word itself. Banning a word won't help at all, they'll simply find new words, and is also a violation of the 1st amendment.

Marilyn Monroe · Apr 25, 2008, 08:07 pm

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A word cannot be "morally wrong" Perhaps the way it is meant, but not the word itself. Banning a word won't help at all, they'll simply find new words, and is also a violation of the 1st amendment.

Seems like there are etiquette rules in the world. My thinking on the topic is it's disrespectful to yourself and others. Also, it doesn't take a lot of brain-power, so you're really sounding like a caveman or woman. Takes a lot more thought to use better words. Words are what sets us apart from the animals. Admittedly though they are funny. Most comedians would be lost without them. I think they have a place just like anything else, and they should not be banned.

I don't know why every topic seems to imply religion has some huge role in it. There would be manners without religion. We all pretty much watch what we say around Grandma.

Halofan48 · Apr 25, 2008, 08:13 pm

Unfortunately, someone often argues their point using their religion, bringing it into the debate. Yet this is getting off topic, so I'll stop here.

Though they are words often used to insult people and aren't the most intelligent of terms when used as such, it's still just a word. Also, it's protected by the first amendment.

Winter wind · Apr 26, 2008, 07:59 am

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Even morally, it is wrong.

I'm not sure. I'm a strong proponent of the idea that every word in the English language has a time for use. I just don't swear a lot, because it just doesn't suit me.

Will_00 · Apr 26, 2008, 09:30 am

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A word cannot be "morally wrong" Perhaps the way it is meant, but not the word itself. Banning a word won't help at all, they'll simply find new words, and is also a violation of the 1st amendment.

It's effects are negative in itself.

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I don't know why every topic seems to imply religion has some huge role in it. There would be manners without religion. We all pretty much watch what we say around Grandma.

"Religion" is in All Things.

Halofan48 · Apr 26, 2008, 10:53 am

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It's effects are negative in itself.

Not always. I've heard people use it like some people use the word like. They aren't really saying it to be insulting or for the actual meaning. It's similar to someone going "It was, like, awesome" Also, in some cases, the word may be used for it's original meaning. In that use, their is no negativity intended.

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"Religion" is in All Things.

Sorry but using a religious argument in a debate that does not involve religion is not a valid argument. If you cannot debate from a non-religious standpoint, do not debate.

Will_00 · Apr 26, 2008, 11:03 am

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Sorry but using a religious argument in a debate that does not involve religion is not a valid argument. If you cannot debate from a non-religious standpoint, do not debate.

What if I was to state, if you do not debate in a "Religious" standpoint do not debate?

**Jack** · Apr 26, 2008, 11:25 am

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What if I was to state, if you do not debate in a "Religious" standpoint do not debate?

You'd be spouting nonsense. Does that even make sense to you? There's no reason you can't express a religiously based opinion in a debate on any topic, but in a debate platitudes are not sufficient. One-liners are for comedians, not debaters. Support your opinions, as you've been asked to do on numerous occasions. Remember, "Comply with moderating team requests and intentions" is a forum rule.

Will_00 · Apr 26, 2008, 11:33 am

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You'd be spouting nonsense. Does that even make sense to you? There's no reason you can't express a religiously based opinion in a debate on any topic, but in a debate platitudes are not sufficient. One-liners are for comedians, not debaters. Support your opinions, as you've been asked to do on numerous occasions. Remember, "Comply with moderating team requests and intentions" is a forum rule.

You are using your "power" to request that I answer in a format that you enjoy, and would allow for less "evidence" on my part?

Apr 22, 2008, 07:42 pm	#41 (permalink) (top)
Halofan48 Seeking the Unknown Location: Southern California Posts: 910	Then why ban them? Besides, i'm sure we've all cussed at some point in our lives in one way or another. Really, they are used to express anger or irritation. Knowledge is power, and with it comes responsibility, use it well.

Apr 23, 2008, 05:54 am	#42 (permalink) (top)
gela Vampire Location: Newcastle, Australia Posts: 719	Im generally not a swearer. But if they applied a rule like this where I lived, every second word I say would be a swear word. Why? Because I think its an infringement on my right to free speech, and I would rebel against it. All they are doing is giving people something to rebebl against. "A geek is a person, male or female, with an abiding, obsessive, self-effacing, even self-destroying love for something besides status." --D.B. Weiss, Lucky Wander Boy

Apr 23, 2008, 08:42 am	#44 (permalink) (top)
Marilyn Monroe dog lover Location: over the rainbow Posts: 1,007	Personally, I like cussing, it's a great stress reliever. I'm not keen on taking the Lord's name in vain, but I still do it a lot then apologize, and I do mean the apology. I come from a long line of cussers, so this would be a tough habit for me to break. "My one regret in life is that I'm not somebody else." - Woody Allen

Apr 23, 2008, 12:08 pm	#45 (permalink) (top)
xyzer Liberated thinker Location: New Mexican Alps Posts: 1,787	Now if someone would just define cussing and what cuss words are? Seems to me they mean different things to different people? The use of the MF word seems to be part of the ebonics culture though its frowned on by little old ladies and my generation? In one sub culture the words "yo Momma' can get your skull cracked! That aint cussing? This whole idea, while good, is probably intended to increas civility but its too general to be anything more than a reminder. Milton, I don't think Sonarts cacaphonous bowel sounds and unrelated photos can be considered cussing? He seems subject to reverse vertigo and makes sense once in a while! Thus we play the fools with the time, and the spirits of the wise sit in the clouds and mock us.

Apr 23, 2008, 08:04 pm	#47 (permalink) (top)
Halofan48 Seeking the Unknown Location: Southern California Posts: 910	ONE. You cannot force the rules of your religion on others in this country, so sorry. TWO you don't need to pray to have self control. Really, to read some of the posts on here require a good deal of self control as to not flip out on them. Knowledge is power, and with it comes responsibility, use it well.

Apr 23, 2008, 05:55 am	#43 (permalink) (top)
Hurt Lmao'ard. Location: San Diego Posts: 192	Control what people say.. then what they think..then what they do? hm, I don't think that'd actually happen.. but rights infringement, yupyup.

Apr 23, 2008, 08:33 pm	#48 (permalink) (top)
Compugasm Son of X51 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,418	Does the word "Frack" drive anyone else crazy? They say it on Battlestar Galactica and it really irrates me. I'd like to thank Charlie Hodge, bringing me scarves and water.

Apr 25, 2008, 06:17 pm	#50 (permalink) (top)
Halofan48 Seeking the Unknown Location: Southern California Posts: 910	By banning the use of certain words due to the fact that it is considered wrong by certain religions is forcing your religious beliefs on others. You'd be saying "You can't say this because my religion says its evil to say these words" Knowledge is power, and with it comes responsibility, use it well.

Apr 25, 2008, 06:33 pm	#52 (permalink) (top)
Halofan48 Seeking the Unknown Location: Southern California Posts: 910	A word cannot be "morally wrong" Perhaps the way it is meant, but not the word itself. Banning a word won't help at all, they'll simply find new words, and is also a violation of the 1st amendment. Knowledge is power, and with it comes responsibility, use it well.

Apr 25, 2008, 08:13 pm	#54 (permalink) (top)
Halofan48 Seeking the Unknown Location: Southern California Posts: 910	Unfortunately, someone often argues their point using their religion, bringing it into the debate. Yet this is getting off topic, so I'll stop here. Though they are words often used to insult people and aren't the most intelligent of terms when used as such, it's still just a word. Also, it's protected by the first amendment. Knowledge is power, and with it comes responsibility, use it well.