Gosh darn! Cussing banned in California town

[grandpa]

Quote by: Roxdog Fascist control freaks....

True. This control-freakery needs to be stopped. People should organize a joint trip to each of the towns in the original article and host a swear-off. That's what I think.

Grandpa h.

[BugsBunny07]

Okay, so if I ever go through that town, only cuss in arabic, Roger.

[Sonart]

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Interesting... how did Roxy get fascist control freak from my yearning for a more civil society. After all, I didn't comment on the town law one way or another.

Methinks Rox has some mommy issues to deal with.

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[Kite]

Quote by: Sonart . And I'm more and more convinced that it is. The older I get, the more I miss the common courtesy and polite manners that were ingrained in me as a child. The way I see it, the more crowded, hectic and demanding our society becomes, the more it would benefit from some civility. Otherwise all we get it the balkanized divisiveness everyone seems to whine about. .

Nonsense. Adults need to use their own self control to regulate their cursing to appropriate situations. All this law does is pander to people who for some reason think that curse words bring our society down.

Besides, cursing is a necessary release of emotion. When someone rear ends my car I have every right to scream the F word as many times as I can at the top of my lungs.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Kite Adults need to use their own self control to regulate their cursing to appropriate situations.

Exactly. I don't see why my langaue should be government property. And why should the government determine "appropriate situations?" When did the state become a completely benign arbiter of virtues?

Grandpa h.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Kite Nonsense. Adults need to use their own self control to regulate their cursing to appropriate situations. All this law does is pander to people who for some reason think that curse words bring our society down.

Kite, my statement was in response to Milton Bradly's statement

Quote by: Milton Not only that, but that proclamation just about sums up Volconvos charter, that civility elevates the level of discourse. Personally, I'm not so sure the philosophy is sound.

Quote by: Sonart And I'm more and more convinced that it is. The older I get, the more I miss the common courtesy and polite manners that were ingrained in me as a child. The way I see it, the more crowded, hectic and demanding our society becomes, the more it would benefit from some civility. Otherwise all we get it the balkanized divisiveness everyone seems to whine about.

Personally I see that Pasadena law was well intended but a tad silly, not to mention consitutionally questionable.

On the other hand, I find Milton's attitude equally bizarre, given his desire to return to life in the 18th century, when children's mouths were washed out with soap, God's name was not to be taken in vain and today's "liberal" attitudes about language and civility would have dumbfounded and shocked the average citizen.

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[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Sonart Kite, my statement was in response to Milton Bradly's statement Personally I see that Pasadena law was well intended but a tad silly, not to mention consitutionally questionable. On the other hand, I find Milton's attitude equally bizarre, given his desire to return to life in the 18th century, when children's mouths were washed out with soap, God's name was not to be taken in vain and today's "liberal" attitudes about language and civility would have dumbfounded and shocked the average citizen.

This is because you are comfortable operating under a complete misunderstanding, rather than learning form the input from this end of the conversation.


I'll say it again, just in case you actually desire to know...


I have no desire to return the country to the Eighteenth Century, I just think government ought to be as accountable as they were at that time. I don't like being expected to obey laws that the people making these laws don't obey themselves.


I'm tired of being the only one playing fair, yet I have enough personal integrity that I'm not willing to become complicit, and play the same contemptable game you are all now playing.

[Jimmy the Pro]

If words must be put into context then the ban must go toward contextual use of such words. As some one earlier pointed out "that's a bitch!" can refer to a female dog or life.

Legally I can't see this follow through. Constitutionally or simply legislatively it doesn't have the power to pull through.

Philosophically speaking or perhaps socially speaking, clean words are a sign of intellectual discussion. I agree with Sonart, keeping things clean is in societies best interest.

Unfortunately, as shown by one of my threads and my infraction....it's harder for me to practice than preach.

[Davidson]

i am agree with Milton Bradley,the news depend total infraustructure

[Chancellor]

Perhaps it's time to review the development of profanity in the English language: Evolution of Profanity - How Swear Words Came to be

[Anmon]

A good idea, if it caught on we would have kids with better developed vocabularys, not just falling back on f this and f that all the time.

[Nono]

Chancellor's link: "Profanity has evolved from the religious curses of Old England and the biological curses of today not only in meaning, but also in intensity. Besides G.D. , the only curses that are offensive today are the biological curses that make sentences, movies, and just about anything more graphic or offensive than had the word been left out."

What is considered profane depends on the hang-ups of society. In the Anglo-Saxon world, where sex is the Big Hang-up, references to sex or scatology rate high.

In Latin countries you might get more of a reaction by insulting the virtue of someone's mother.

Profanity mirrors our areas of social tension. Fucked if I can see what all the fuss is about.

[combuster]

In an ordinary day I would venture to guess that more people are offended by accidental causes, rather than on purpose. There comes a time when courts, legislature, you know... the sensible leaders and lawmakers need to say "don't be a whiner, don't be a pussy, its not up to the law to make people not say bad words", In the US it seems our right to offend anybody in any way is not so slowly getting stripped away. However, this particular incident seems to be reduced to a silly little "practice-good-citizenship-in-order-to-appease-the-upset-elderly-folk-and-jesus-worshipers week-long holiday"
cheers

[Sonart]

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Human beings are social animals... we survive by pursuing mutually advantageous goals through cooperation. "Morals" are those rules we follow to try to ensure harmony and cooperation within the group. We don't harm or kill each other without really, really good reasons. We don't lie and deceive each other. We don't steal things from each other. We have civil laws to enforce the moral ones.

Below that we have rules governing conduct that doesn't rise to the level of immorality, but remain important if we're to live in harmony and cooperation with each other. We call it common courtesy, rules of civil conduct meant to grease the wheels of living in a crowded, complex civilization. And the more crowded and complex civilization gets, the more we need civility. Yet it appears to me that the more crowded and complex our civilization has become, the less civil we've become, leading to a balkanized society that can't stand each other and has no way of communicating without antogonizing and alienating each other.

I don't see cussing and civility as the exact same thing.... one can cuss without it being aimed an someone ...which I why I think this law is a tad silly. But I don't see the goal... trying to bring back manners and common courtesy ...as a bad thing at all. I'm just not sure it's something one can legislate.

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[Nono]

Right. Instilling genuine respect for one's fellows -- rather than contempt -- will do a lot more for civility than fetishizing linguistic form.

[Will_00]

This is Awesome! I wish they would do this everywhere!

[Halofan48]

Then people will simply find a new word to make offensive. It's not the word people, its what is MEANT by the word.

[Anmon]

But most words that are offensive do have a spelling to them that helps make them that way, wouldn't you agree?

[Halofan48]

for some yes. Yet still, the banning of the common words will simply mean they'll find new ways to insult each other. Banning these words is just silly.

[Anmon]

Why, they don't serve any purpose.