Iran may be biggest threat to Iraq - U.S. general

[Anmon]

The six day war, isn't that the war that Egypt and Syria began in order to exterminate the Jews in Israel?
Also why should they give you Jerusalem? Its a Jewish city that they began and were driven out of by the Romans, they have been gracious enough to allow Muslims and Christians to pray there since recapturing it.

Quote by: Anmon The six day war, isn't that the war that Egypt and Syria began in order to exterminate the Jews in Israel? Also why should they give you Jerusalem? Its a Jewish city that they began and were driven out of by the Romans, they have been gracious enough to allow Muslims and Christians to pray there since recapturing it.

The reasons that led to the six days war are as follows : Egypt's closing of the Straits of Tiran and Jamal Abdul Nasser's assertion that the UNEF depart his nation , escelated to Israel's attack on Egypt, Jordan, and Syria " let's not overlook the fact that the provocation that stemmed from Egypt was another retaliation to the Suez Crisis at which Israel, Britian and France attacked Egypt. The Arabs long prospered and lived in Jerusalem, they have longed built their mosques and churches, they weren't the one to demolish the jews temple or drove them to exile, so why pay for the actions of the Romans?? The Arabs simply conquered the land from the Romans. So it's not a wise idea carried out by the jew to strip the Arabs from their land and scheme to build a new temple where the Aqsa Mosque is already situated.

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Quote by: e_sistani The reasons that led to the six days war are as follows : Egypt's closing of the Straits of Tiran and Jamal Abdul Nasser's assertion that the UNEF depart his nation , escelated to Israel's attack on Egypt, Jordan, and Syria " let's not overlook the fact that the provocation that stemmed from Egypt was another retaliation to the Suez Crisis at which Israel, Britian and France attacked Egypt. The Arabs long prospered and lived in Jerusalem, they have longed built their mosques and churches, they weren't the one to demolish the jews temple or drove them to exile, so why pay for the actions of the Romans??

Egypt put up a naval blockade, which is something many states do.

Grandpa h.

Quote by: grandpa Egypt put up a naval blockade, which is something many states do. Grandpa h.

Yes I know.. Israel took the offensive and occupied even more lands...

[grandpa]

A small update:
President Bush's national security adviser said Sunday:
"Iran is very active in the southern part of Iraq."

Grandpa h.

[Anmon]

Not for long.

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Quote by: grandpa Egypt put up a naval blockade, which is something many states do.

That was a break of last cease fire i.e a war act.

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The reasons that led to the six days war are as follows : Egypt's closing of the Straits of Tiran and Jamal Abdul Nasser's assertion that the UNEF depart his nation , escelated to Israel's attack on Egypt, Jordan, and Syria

Israel didn't attack Syria and Jordan. It was them who started to shell Israeli cities.

The Arabs long prospered and lived in Jerusalem, they have longed built their mosques and churches

So the Jews too. There was always Jewish presence there.

The Arabs simply conquered the land from the Romans

So you agree that Arabs really occupiers?

So it's not a wise idea carried out by the jew to strip the Arabs from their land

It's not their land like yourself admitted their occupied it from someone else(btw it wasn't romans I think).

scheme to build a new temple where the Aqsa Mosque is already situated

There is no scheme. If Israel really wanted it. It would be done already.

Quote by: shrike Israel didn't attack Syria and Jordan. It was them who started to shell Israeli cities. So the Jews too. There was always Jewish presence there. So you agree that Arabs really occupiers? It's not their land like yourself admitted their occupied it from someone else(btw it wasn't romans I think). There is no scheme. If Israel really wanted it. It would be done already.

According to Israel, it carried out a preemptive attack on Syria and Jordan, while the naval blockade by Egypt served as a war trigger. However, you are missing other facts such as the reason why Egypt carried out the blockade and the supposed shelling of the Israeli cities in the first place. Reasons being are that Israel had ongoing tensions with its neighboring nations prior to the war such as the National Water Carrier Crisis in which Israel attacked Syria and that served as a leading event to the war, as for the latter’s attacks on civilians it only came after Israel’s ongoing harassments to the Syrian farmers in the demilitarized zone, Syria therefore had to take actions against the harassments. Moshe Dayan, the Israeli defense minister at the time of the war, stated: After all, I know how at least 80 percent of the clashes there started. In my opinion, more than 80 percent, but let's talk about 80 percent. It went this way: We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was. As you can see, Israel was intentionally causing provocations to Syria.
In 1966, Egypt and Syria signed a defense pact whereby each country would support the other if it were attacked, thus the reason why Egypt had to go back on it’s on pact of Tiran strains being an international water way and resort to naval blockade so it could support Syria in its war with Israel.


Yes there was but not as much as the Arabs, the Arabs were the majority back then, only few of the Jews existed at that time.


I do, only that they were the occupiers of Roman land, they took the land from the Romans, but again let’s not forget that the Jews were occupiers of the land as well, they took it from the indigenous inhabitants the Canaanites. At least the Arabs did not take the land from the Jews.

It was the Romans, 29-614 AD : Byzantine (Roman) rule was interrupted , however , by a brief Persian occupation and ended altogether when Muslim Arab armies invaded Palestine and captured Jerusalem in AD 638 .


There is a scheme, many of the Fundamentalist Jews are seeking the day when the entire of Israel like they claim would be theirs , as it says in the Bible : 'To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates'. There have been lots of schemes to actually try and build the temple, I have seen documentaries about it long ago, of course it’s not a wise move to do it now, not with the ongoing tension. you can google the third temple and you'll see that there exists many organizations and societies that actually root for building the third temple.

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According to Israel, it carried out a preemptive attack on Syria and Jordan, while the naval blockade by Egypt served as a war trigger

Get your facts straight Israel attacked preemptively only Egypt after they broke tha last cease fire(which was a war act),expelled UN forces, amassed forces along the border threatened to kick the Jews out of Israel.

However, you are missing other facts such as the reason why Egypt carried out the blockade and the supposed shelling of the Israeli cities in the first place. Reasons being are that Israel had ongoing tensions with its neighboring nations prior to the war such as the National Water Carrier Crisis Reasons being are that Israel had ongoing tensions with its neighboring nations prior to the war such as the National Water Carrier Crisis in which Israel attacked Syria and that served as a leading event to the war, as for the latter’s attacks on civilians it only came after Israel’s ongoing harassments to the Syrian farmers in the demilitarized zone

What you talking about? It was constant incursions from Arab countries that was sponsored by the government that lead to all the tensions.

After all, I know how at least 80 percent of the clashes there started. In my opinion, more than 80 percent, but let's talk about 80 percent. It went this way: We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was. As you can see, Israel was intentionally causing

So it was other way around it was Syrian who attacked the Jewish farmers and not what you described.

In 1966, Egypt and Syria signed a defense pact whereby each country would support the other if it were attacked, thus the reason why Egypt had to go back on it’s on pact of Tiran strains being an international water way and resort to naval blockade so it could support Syria in its war with Israel.

It doesn't matter it was a war act i.e Israel could react to this war act as it see fits.

Yes there was but not as much as the Arabs, the Arabs were the majority back then, only few of the Jews existed at that time

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So what? Now Jews a majority in Israel.

I do, only that they were the occupiers of Roman land, they took the land from the Romans, but again let’s not forget that the Jews were occupiers of the land as well, they took it from the indigenous inhabitants the Canaanites. At least the Arabs did not take the land from the Jews.

Ok so say if Rommans conquered the land from the Jews it become their?So according to you logic all the land that Jews conquered from Arabs in the war is a Jewish land.
Do you have some proof that Jews took land from anyone( pay attantion that religous book are not historical book).

There is a scheme, many of the Fundamentalist Jews are seeking the day when the entire of Israel like they claim would be theirs , as it says in the Bible : 'To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates'. There have been lots of schemes to actually try and build the temple, I have seen documentaries about it long ago, of course it’s not a wise move to do it now, not with the ongoing tension. you can google the third temple and you'll see that there exists many organizations and societies that actually root for building the third temple.

How much is many? Do you have numbers? I think this conspiracy exist only in the mind of Arab propaganda and some 100 fanatic Jews out of 14 millions.

1.I don't know why on earth do I bother debating with you. You are an ignorant narrow minded person, who only buys what the American and Israeli propoganda airs on media and refuses to acknoweldge the fact that the Israeli started all of this by occupying a land and kicking out people who have lived there for generations, talking about unfair and human rights, how about that!!! And just so you know I did get my facts straight, act of war or not, don't deny the reasons that led to it, that being ISRAEL, and anyways Egypt signed a defense contract with Syria, things eccelrated, Israel kept harrasing Syria and Jordan and it's neighbours and all of that led to war.

2.Go do some research, Israel occupied a land in Syria and started provoking the farmers there, what do you expect?? that they sit back and take crap from Israel?? hell no...

3.Look up!!!

4.Yes as usual.. Israel can do what they see fit, but Arabs can't.


5.Unfairly... it is...


6.Look it up yourself.. and no what I meant is that Arabs are not supposed to pay for something that wasn't their mistake.. you don't come and kick them out of a land that you weren't occupying already...


7.I saw documentries over that and read articles... so yes it does exist

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I will disregard a rants and personal attacks and answer only relevant points.If you doubt any fact that I present you may ask for a source.

started all of this by occupying a land and kicking out people who have lived there for generations,

how buying legally land is kicking anyone. It was Muslims that choose the way of violence from the begening

1929 Hebron massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Hebron Massacre refers to the mass murder of sixty-seven Jews on 23 and 24 August 1929 in Hebron, then part of the British Mandate of Palestine, by Arabs incited to violence by false rumors that Jews were massacring Arabs in Jerusalem and seizing control of Muslim holy places. The carnage had a deep effect on the Jewish community. The survivors were forced to flee Hebron, and their property was seized by Arab residents and occupied until after the Six Day War of 1967.[1] It also led to the re-organization and development of the Jewish defense organization, the Haganah, which later became the nucleus of the Israel Defense Forces.

It's interesting that the same false roomers spread by propaganda exist even today.

And just so you know I did get my facts straight, act of war or not, don't deny the reasons that led to it, that being ISRAEL

What do you mean by that? Is like saying that crime is happened because of the victim. If there was no victim no crime would happen.
Is that how see it?

and anyways Egypt signed a defense contract with Syria, things eccelrated, Israel kept harrasing Syria and Jordan and it's neighbours and all of that led to war.

Yes for you self defense from constant incursions is harassing I see,

Between the 1956 war and the 1967 war, Israeli civilian and military casualties on all Arab fronts inflicted by regular and irregular forces (including those of Palestinian fedayeen), averaged one per month (an estimated total of 132 fatalities).[31] During the mid and late 1960s, a number of independent Palestinian fedyaeen groups emerged who sought to bring about "the liberation of all Palestine through a Palestinian armed struggle."[32] According to Jamal R. Nasser, the very first incursion by this set of fedayeen fighters took place on 1 January 1965 when a Palestinian commando infiltrated Israel to plant explosives that destroyed a section of pipeline designed to divert water from the Jordan River into Israel.[33] Palestinian fedayeen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Go do some research, Israel occupied a land in Syria and started provoking the farmers there, what do you expect?? that they sit back and take crap from Israel?? hell no

When? In 1948 when it was attacked by Syria the armistice have created DMZ zones that not necessary belong to Syria. Of course if you think otherwise please provide a source because it was you who made this claim.

Yes as usual.. Israel can do what they see fit, but Arabs can't.

Yes of course according Jewish state haters those pesky jews should do nothing and just wait till the good arabs will throw them to sea like the promised.

Unfairly... it is...

Why? Or its only fair when Arabs occupy lands?

Look it up yourself

Look for what?

and no what I meant is that Arabs are not supposed to pay for something that wasn't their mistake.. you don't come and kick them out of a land that you weren't occupying already

It was their mistake that their occupied the land that don't belong to them.

7.I saw documentries over that and read articles... so yes it does exist

Only because you say so. I should believe. You didn't answered my questions .How many Jews support such ideas

Quote by: shrike I will disregard a rants and personal attacks and answer only relevant points.If you doubt any fact that I present you may ask for a source. how buying legally land is kicking anyone. It was Muslims that choose the way of violence from the begening It's interesting that the same false roomers spread by propaganda exist even today. What do you mean by that? Is like saying that crime is happened because of the victim. If there was no victim no crime would happen. Is that how see it? Yes for you self defense from constant incursions is harassing I see, When? In 1948 when it was attacked by Syria the armistice have created DMZ zones that not necessary belong to Syria. Of course if you think otherwise please provide a source because it was you who made this claim. Yes of course according Jewish state haters those pesky jews should do nothing and just wait till the good arabs will throw them to sea like the promised. Why? Or its only fair when Arabs occupy lands? Look for what? It was their mistake that their occupied the land that don't belong to them. Only because you say so. I should believe. You didn't answered my questions .How many Jews support such ideas

First of all I would like to apologize for my earlier behavior, I am sorry I didn’t mean it, but it seems like you are undermining every piece and every word that I tell you, anyways I don’t expect you to acknowledge them so it’s okay. So here:

1.The land was indeed bought, often at exorbitant prices, but from rich absentee owners, who did not live on it or cultivate it. When the late Ottoman Empire was bankrupt and in dire need of money, it sold huge tracts to rich Arab merchants in Jaffa, Beirut and other cities, who bought them as an investment. The Arab Felaheen (farmers), who had tilled the land for many generations, were mere tenants. When the KKL bought the land, the Felaheen were driven out, often with the help of the Turkish, and later the British police. In spite of all this effort, when the United Nations resolved in November 1947 to partition the country between a Jewish and an Arab State, less than 7% of the land belonged to Jews. Only a part of this area belonged to the KKL, the rest to private Jewish owners in the towns and the agricultural "colonies". Logic would have dictated that with the founding of the State of Israel, the KKL transfer its lands to the State. After all, that was the idea of collecting the money. But this did not happen. In fact, the very opposite took place: the new state transferred to the KKL millions of dunams of land expropriated from Arabs - the refugees who were not allowed to return ("absentees" in legal language), those who had remained in the country but were absent on a given day from their villages ("present absentees"), as well as Arabs who became citizens of Israel. It is important to keep this in mind, since it disproves the big lie that hovers over the whole debate: that the KKL land was bought with the money of the Jewish people. The greater part of the present KKL land was not bought at all, but conquered in war and transferred to the KKL. – Gush Shalom

2.The Hebron massacre broke out after many disputes between Israel and Palestine over access to the western wall, and yes it was wrong to carry out such a cruel act, but again the act was carried out by Arab mobs, and the majority of Arabs were against it. On Friday, August 23, Arab mobs attacked Jews in Jerusalem, Motza, Hebron, Safed, Jaffa, and other parts of the country. The Old City of Jerusalem was hit particularly hard. By the next day, the Haganah was able to mount a defense and further attacks in Jerusalem were repulsed. But, the violence in Jerusalem generated rumors throughout the country, many carrying fabricated accounts of Jewish attempts to defile Muslim holy places, all to inflame the Arab residents. Palestine Arab Riots 1929

3.I’m saying that the feud wouldn’t have taken place if Britain hasn’t facilitated the establishment of a Jewish state. As Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, said : We shall try to spirit the penniless [Arab] population across the border by procuring employment for it in transit countries, while denying it employment in our own country

4.The harassing led to intensification of events.

5.Hafez al-Assad (Syria president) rejects a statement made that day by Shimon Peres (Israel foreign minister), that Syria would accept a demilitarized Golan Heights.
Assad takes that statement to mean (as I do), a DMZ entirely on Syrian land (unilateral demilitarization). (Golan belongs to Syria, it’s under military occupation by Israel).
Assad then proceeds to explain, in the next sentence, that he’s happy to demilitarize Golan, or part of it, provided the zone straddles the border, and is not hosted entirely on Syrian land, if Israel shares the burden of it, mutually demilitarizes an equal portion of its own adjacent land, hosts an equal portion of the international observers, the DMZ-watchers (bilateral demilitarization). - Ken Stein

6.Syria charged that Israel was constantly harassing Arab farmers in the Demilitarized Zone and opening fire on Syrian military positions, while Israeli armoured tractors were cultivating Arab land in the Demilitarized Zone, backed by Israel armed forces illegally placed there. Syria informed the Security Council that the grave deterioration along the demarcation lines was the result of the dual Israel aim to increase tension so as to justify subsequent large-scale aggression against Syria and to expand its illegal occupation of the Demilitarized Zone by liquidating the rights of Arab cultivators. Syria stated that in every instance where there was a Syrian firing, it was in return of provocative Israel fire directed against peaceful Arab farmers or Syrian posts – wikipedia, so what self defense are you talking about, and what incursion, why do you think the six days war broke out?? Because of Israel’s provocations of the Arab nations, they were agitated and so they retaliated. Another issue was the water issue: Arguably 50% or more of the water that Israel uses is unilaterally appropriated from water that should fairly go to its Arab neighbors. Even the New York Times used the word "theft" when quoting an "Arab" in connection with Israel's appropriation of regional water resources. ("Hurdle to Peace: Parting the Mideast's Waters" by Alan Cowell NYT, 10.10.93 p. 1)

7.All Arabs want is their land back. The Arab’s occupation of the land is a different issue, simply because the Byzantines (Romans) back then were mistreating the Jewish presence in Palestine forcing them to convert into Christianity, and the Arabs came and kicked the Byzantines out, they did not prosecute the Jews, they did not drive them out of their homes. It’s not a matter of logic, I am not proposing a new philosophy or concept or logic for that matter, all I am saying is that Israel have came after thousands of years from the Arab settlements in Palestine, and simply drove them out of their houses and lands just because their forefathers once lived there, but then again they left it, if they truly wanted the land they should have came back and drove the Romans out and have taken the land but they didn’t. You don’t expect to come back after all of that time and take the land from the Arabs all nice and prospered and claim it as your own. Let me give you an example, imagine person A had a puppy, but he left it. Person B then found the puppy, took it home, looked after it, until it grew up, the two then became inseparable they grew to love each other and can’t be parted, Person A then comes back after all those years and asks for it back, do you expect person B to simply hand the dog over after all of those years?? Of course not. That is why I am telling you Arabs shouldn’t pay for the Jews mistakes, the Jews left their lands and didn’t fight for it.

8.I will make sure to stop by every Israeli house and conduct a survey so I could come up with the exact number… what kind of question is that?? I don’t know how many numbers, but I know that plenty of Israeli’s support the idea of a third temple. Third Temple - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

P.S: If the reason by which the Jews insist on occupying Israel is because it is god’s Promised Land to them like they claim, then that claim is invalid, because according to you religious books are not historical books thus it provides no means of sound and valid proof of anything.

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Quote by: sistani but it seems like you are undermining every piece and every word that

It's a debate forum you don't seem to agree with my words either.

1.The land was indeed bought, often at exorbitant prices, but from rich absentee owners, who did not live on it or cultivate it. When the late Ottoman Empire was bankrupt and in dire need of money, it sold huge tracts to rich Arab merchants in Jaffa, Beirut and other cities, who bought them as an investment

What does it matter? There was only legal way to acquire land.

The Arab Felaheen (farmers), who had tilled the land for many generations, were mere tenants

Part of them but there was a part that were brought by absentee owners to work the land anyway their population was about 300k-400k so they didn't occupied all the land most of it was empty and full of swamps.

. When the KKL bought the land, the Felaheen were driven out, often with the help of the Turkish, and later the British police.

When someone a illegally on your property. what do you excpect ?Anyway I want an independent link about those who were driven out.

In spite of all this effort, when the United Nations resolved in November 1947 to partition the country between a Jewish and an Arab State, less than 7% of the land belonged to Jews

Do you claim that 93% belonged to Arabs? Anyway there was a majority of Jews in A Jewish state. And that what matters.

Logic would have dictated that with the founding of the State of Israel, the KKL transfer its lands to the State. After all, that was the idea of collecting the money. But this did not happen. In fact, the very opposite took place

Why it is logic?

the refugees who were not allowed to return ("absentees" in legal language), those who had remained in the country but were absent on a given day from their villages ("present absentees"), as well as Arabs who became citizens of Israel.

If the Arabs hadn't attacked Israel and instead of this would answer Israel call for peace there would 23rd Arab state and no refuge problem.

We appeal - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions. We extend our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East Proclamation of Independence

It is important to keep this in mind, since it disproves the big lie that hovers over the whole debate: that the KKL land was bought with the money of the Jewish people. The greater part of the present KKL land was not bought at all, but conquered in war and transferred to the KKL

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I never claimed that. Why did you brought it? It does some kind of Straw man argument?

Gush Shalom

So its another. Copy paste from some site. You should post links as forum rules require. Anyway I wouldn't call Gush Shalom not biased source. Its rabid leftist organization that have a strong bias to one side.

and the majority of Arabs were against it

How do you know it?

many carrying fabricated accounts of Jewish attempts to defile Muslim holy places, all to inflame the Arab

Well I already heard something like this before maybe even on this forum...

I’m saying that the feud wouldn’t have taken place if Britain hasn’t facilitated the establishment of a Jewish state.

The feud wouldn't happen if the Arabs would choose the way of peace and cooperation. There many reasons for the conflct .But you seem that there someone else is guilty but not the Arabs.

The harassing led to intensification of events.

Yes harassing by the Arab states.
Hafez al-Assad (Syria president) rejects a statement made that day by Shimon Peres (Israel foreign minister), that Syria would accept a demilitarized Golan Heights.

Assad takes that statement to mean (as I do), a DMZ entirely on Syrian land (unilateral demilitarization). (Golan belongs to Syria, it’s under military occupation by Israel). Assad then proceeds to explain, in the next sentence, that he’s happy to demilitarize Golan, or part of it, provided the zone straddles the border, and is not hosted entirely on Syrian land, if Israel shares the burden of it, mutually demilitarizes an equal portion of its own adjacent land, hosts an equal portion of the international observers, the DMZ-watchers (bilateral demilitarization

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Please explain how Hafez Assad biased claims answer my arguments.

so what self defense are you talking about, and what incursion, why do you think the six days war broke out??

I already brought the link about that. Here is a link again.
Palestinian fedayeen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Because of Israel’s provocations of the Arab nations, they were agitated and so they retaliated

So I see its blaming the victim again. Its the victim who guilty in the crimes and not criminal. Pretty strange logic I must say.

All Arabs want is their land back. The Arab’s occupation of the land is a different issue, simply because the Byzantines (Romans) back then were mistreating the Jewish presence in Palestine forcing them to convert into Christianity, and the Arabs came and kicked the Byzantines out, they did not prosecute the Jews, they did not drive them out of their homes

Its not theirs. They didn't owned all of it. It was mostly empty like I said earlier. And ofcourse Jews were prosecuted in lands occupied by Muslim invaders Land of Israel was not special

Antisemitism in the Arab world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia it would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number of Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.[11]

You don’t expect to come back after all of that time and take the land from the Arabs all nice and prospered and claim it as your own

That land was not nice and prospered like you claim

Here is how Mark Twain describes the area before the Jews came.

"There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent [valley of Jezreel] -- not for 30 miles in either direction... One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings. ... For the sort of solitude to make one dreary, come to Galilee ... Nazareth is forlorn ... Jericho lies a moldering ruin ... Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and humiliation... untenanted by any living creature... A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds ... a silent, mournful expanse ... a desolation ... We never saw a human being on the whole route ... Hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil had almost deserted the country ... Of all the lands there are for dismal scenery Palestine must be the prince. The hills barren and dull, the valleys unsightly deserts [inhabited by] swarms of beggars with ghastly sores and malformations. Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes ... desolate and unlovely ... " http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/railto.../iahompag.html

A had a puppy, but he left it. Person B then found the puppy, took it home, looked after it, until it grew up, the two then became inseparable they grew to love each other and can’t be parted, Person A then comes back after all those years and asks for it back, do you expect person B to simply hand the dog over after all of those years?? Of course not. That is why I am telling you Arabs shouldn’t pay for the Jews mistakes, the Jews left their lands and didn’t fight for it.

What it has do with the conflict? Here what really happened?
Person owns a house now a robber comes and evicts it's from its house after several years pass many robbers evicting each other. The house is desolated no one really want it. So one of the robbers sells one of the rooms in it to a these person again. He start to rebuild the room with enthusiasm but when robber see how good it is it call other robbers from adjacent rooms and houses do drove this person again.

8.I will make sure to stop by every Israeli house and conduct a survey so I could come up with the exact number… what kind of question is that?? I don’t know how many numbers, but I know that plenty of Israeli’s support the idea of a third temple. Third Temple - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your source.

Although in mainstream Orthodox Judaism the rebuilding of the Temple is generally left to the coming of the Jewish Messiah and to Divine Providence, a number of organizations, generally representing a small minority of even Orthodox Jews, have been formed with the objective of realizing the immediate construction of a Third Temple in present times. These organizations include:

Thank you for proving my point.

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Quote by: sistani P.S: If the reason by which the Jews insist on occupying Israel is because it is god’s Promised Land to them like they claim, then that claim is invalid, because according to you religious books are not historical books thus it provides no means of sound and valid proof of anything.

Straw man fallacy.I never claimed that.Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

P.S please use a quote function to material that isnt yours.Also dont forget to post links when its possible.

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Quote by: e_sistani According to Israel, it carried out a preemptive attack on Syria and Jordan, while the naval blockade by Egypt served as a war trigger. However, you are missing other facts such as the reason why Egypt carried out the blockade and the supposed shelling of the Israeli cities in the first place. Reasons being are that Israel had ongoing tensions with its neighboring nations prior to the war such as the National Water Carrier Crisis in which Israel attacked Syria and that served as a leading event to the war, as for the latter’s attacks on civilians it only came after Israel’s ongoing harassments to the Syrian farmers in the demilitarized zone, Syria therefore had to take actions against the harassments. Moshe Dayan, the Israeli defense minister at the time of the war, stated: After all, I know how at least 80 percent of the clashes there started. In my opinion, more than 80 percent, but let's talk about 80 percent. It went this way: We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was. As you can see, Israel was intentionally causing provocations to Syria.

That is a very typical way to twist the facts. The Egyptian government consistently talked about pushing Israel into the sea and Jordan and Egypt launch constant terrorist attacks from the Gaza and the WB. Then all the countries that were attacked in '67 had massive troop build up preparing for a genocidial invasion. Of the hyprocritical anti-semites on the left like to twist the facts and state that Israel should have done nothing and they would have been fine. Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon were committing acts of war. If Israel didn't attack we would be talking about the 2nd Holocaust today!

In 1966, Egypt and Syria signed a defense pact whereby each country would support the other if it were attacked, thus the reason why Egypt had to go back on it’s on pact of Tiran strains being an international water way and resort to naval blockade so it could support Syria in its war with Israel.

You say defense pact as if that was what it was! LOL this was a military pact with intentions on destroying Israel! Call a spad a spad!

Yes there was but not as much as the Arabs, the Arabs were the majority back then, only few of the Jews existed at that time.

Jews were the majority in Jerusalem in 1866! Also you of course will ignore that rapid Arab immigration at the being of the 1900s. Many of the the Palestinians are just 2nd or 3rd generation Arab immigrates to the lands. There was rapid and numerous Arab immigration during the British White Paper era. Also while the Turks ruled the lands, the lands were pretty sparsely populated and really just empty desert lands.

I do, only that they were the occupiers of Roman land, they took the land from the Romans, but again let’s not forget that the Jews were occupiers of the land as well, they took it from the indigenous inhabitants the Canaanites.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL, nice way to put on spin on thinks, bravo!

At least the Arabs did not take the land from the Jews.

Bravo another good spin to justify things! The Arabs took 1 million Jewish homes and property in 1948, yet you will ignore that because it doesn't serve your point. Also the Arabs took many peoples lands. The Arabs conquers North Africa, the Middle East, Iran and push all the way into west Asia. It is not a concidence that all of the predominately Muslim countries were victims of the Arab Crusades. They even pushed into Spain. The only reason Spain is not majority Muslim is because of the inquisition. If the Franks hadn't stopped the Muslim Crusaders, then there would be a different story today.

It was the Romans, 29-614 AD : Byzantine (Roman) rule was interrupted , however , by a brief Persian occupation and ended altogether when Muslim Arab armies invaded Palestine and captured Jerusalem in AD 638 .

Persian with the Jewish conquered Palestinian briefly!
Coicidential it was in 124 AD that they Roman changed the name to Palestine as punishment for the 2nd Jewish revolt, yet the Arabs who arrived half a century later took the name Palestinians.

There is a scheme, many of the Fundamentalist Jews are seeking the day when the entire of Israel like they claim would be theirs , as it says in the Bible : 'To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates'.

Yet in '48 they were ready to give up half of Israel and have tried to do so many times since. Even today they Jews are ready to give up the West Bank were many Jewish relics are such as Joseph and Esters Tombs (which the Palestinians repeatedly vandalize).

There have been lots of schemes to actually try and build the temple, I have seen documentaries about it long ago, of course it’s not a wise move to do it now, not with the ongoing tension. you can google the third temple and you'll see that there exists many organizations and societies that actually root for building the third temple.

LOL None that have gained any real momentum! If Israel wanted to do it, she would have already done it. The biggest callers for the 3rd Temple are Evanganical Christians. They believe the 3rd Temple will trigger end of days!

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Quote by: sistani As Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, said : We shall try to spirit the penniless [Arab] population across the border by procuring employment for it in transit countries, while denying it employment in our own country

I accidently missed this piece of this anti-Israeli propaganda's common for Jewish state haters to create hoax quotes or take out of contest.
Here is a full quote of what Herzl write in his diaries(he didn't said it but that a small money really):

Quote by: Herzel diares When we occupy the land, we shall bring immediate benefits to the state that receives us. We must expropriate gently the private property on the estates assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly … It goes without saying that we shall respectfully tolerate persons of other faiths and protect their property, their honor, and their freedom with the harshest means of coercion. This is another area in which we shall set the entire world a wonderful example … Should there be many such immovable owners in individual areas [who would not sell their property to us], we shall simply leave them there and develop our commerce in the direction of other areas which belong to us

First off all if you would read his diaries you he didn't talked about Arabs because in 1895 the land of Israel wasn't considered as possible future home for a Jewish state .Second no one want poor in their territory no matter Jew, Arab or American its just matter of economic and nothing have to do with nationalism.

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