Iran may be biggest threat to Iraq - U.S. general

Quote by: shrike Well it is and I contrary to you do have links to every fact that I post. freedomhouse.org: Country Report Well supplying weapons to terrorist organizations that kill Americans is being in use axis of evil. Do you expect something else? The treaty was not signed because Israel or USA pressure in 1968 Iran was ally of Israel. I don't see USA bombarding Iran too. Anyway Israel is not ruled by crazy Muslim fundamentalists that thing Jewish state should disappear. Also like I mentioned there is other countries that did not sign the NPT but you don't seem to care about it

Iran signed two treaties, it might have been an ally of Israel in 1968, but it surly wasn't in 2003 when it signed it's second treaty. And I am not concerned about other nations because those nations aren't a threat to Iran as Israel is to Arab nations, And the only reason Iran is supplying funding those groups is to help kick the US- ISRAELI occupation out of arab lands. This argument could last forever as long as Israel and palestine are still at war, we would go on as they did, you could come up with your side of arguments and so would I, and this would never end.

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Quote by: Anmon lol one small country with a population of three million has its surrounding neighbors of 300 million Arabs under constant attack? How about all the silly Arabs just stop attacking Israel in the first place.

The palestinians launch a bottle rocket, and israel fires missiles.
this is a conflict between the palestinians, israelis and lebanese, DIRECTLY.
the only comparison we look at is that israelis military is a regional superpower, and the palestinians have these bottle rocket qassams

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Quote by: sistani Iran signed two treaties, it might have been an ally of Israel in 1968, but it surly wasn't in 2003 when it signed it's second treaty

What kind of treaty Iran signed in 2003?

And I am not concerned about other nations because those nations aren't a threat to Iran as Israel is to Arab nations

Israel is not threat to anyone it want to be just too left alone. It's the Arab nations that want end of the Jewish state in the land of Israel.

And the only reason Iran is supplying funding those groups is to help kick the US- ISRAELI occupation out of arab lands

You meant Muslim of course because Iran is not care much about Arab lands I think. Muslim fundamentalists can think whatever they want that doesn't make them right.

This argument could last forever as long as Israel and palestine are still at war, we would go on as they did, you could come up with your side of arguments and so would I, and this would never end.

That the point of the debate.

Quote by: Anmon But their not throwing stones at the soldiers are they? Maybe that has something to do with it. People have been throwing stones at each other in the middle east for thousands of years, its no big deal.

Why would they throw stones at their own soldiers?? are they being occupied by their own soldiers?? that makes no sense, those arab children have no way to express their frustration at the occupation but through throwing stones... but then again my point is that Israel is denying those children from basic needs during their imprisonment Yesh Din - Volunteers for Human Rights יש דין - �רגון מתנדבי� לזכויות �ד�

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Quote by: e_sistani Why would they throw stones at their own soldiers?? are they being occupied by their own soldiers?? that makes no sense, those arab children have no way to express their frustration at the occupation but through throwing stones... but then again my point is that Israel is denying those children from basic needs during their imprisonment Yesh Din - Volunteers for Human Rights יש דין - ×�רגון ×ž×ª× ×“×‘×™×� לזכויות ×�ד×�

Frustrated? Funny because everytime we see them on video they are laughing and jeering, hardly the face of frustration, more like they are just nasty bored brats.

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Quote by: Anmon Frustrated? Funny because everytime we see them on video they are laughing and jeering, hardly the face of frustration, more like they are just nasty bored brats.

Most of the casualties in this conflict are palestinian children.

Quote by: shrike What kind of treaty Iran signed in 2003? Israel is not threat to anyone it want to be just too left alone. It's the Arab nations that want end of the Jewish state in the land of Israel. You meant Muslim of course because Iran is not care much about Arab lands I think. Muslim fundamentalists can think whatever they want that doesn't make them right. That the point of the debate.

Where have you been for the past few years?? in Mars?? Ahmedinejad's aim is to protect Palestine and Lebanon from Israel, arab and MUSLIM nations. And just so you know Israel was once called Palestine until the British helped move the Jews to it and kicked out almost all of the Arabs, who moved to nighbouring countries under poor living conditions forced by the Israelis.

it has signed an extension to the first treaty, so it could silence USA's and Israel's further yapping.

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Quote by: e_sistani it has signed an extension to the first treaty, so it could silence USA's and Israel's further yapping.

Has it ever occurred to you, that if you guys stopped attacking Israel you would have peace?

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Quote by: sistani Ahmedinejad's aim is to protect Palestine and Lebanon from Israel, arab and MUSLIM nations

I am sure he wouldn't helped Christian militia he helps Shiite militia for a reason.

And just so you know Israel was once called Palestine until the British helped move the Jews

And before that. it was called Israel so what?

it and kicked out almost all of the Arabs

There was a war that not Israel started but the Arabs. Well part of the Arabs fled to other countries instead to stay those who stayed become full citizens with all the rights and more.

poor living conditions forced by the Israelis

How the living conditions of the "refuges" that live in Egypt Syria, Lebanon and etc are influenced by Israel

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it has signed an extension to the first treaty, so it could silence USA's and Israel's further yapping.

Link would help.

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Quote by: shrike And before that. it was called Israel so what?

for 200 hundred years, its been called palestine for the majority of the time

There was a war that not Israel started but the Arabs. Well part of the Arabs fled to other countries instead to stay those who stayed become full citizens with all the rights and more.

international law says a refugee is anyone that leaves an area during a time of crisis. wether they left in a limo, or walked, wether they wanted to, or didnt, wether they were paid to or not, deal with it

How the living conditions of the "refuges" that live in Egypt Syria, Lebanon and etc are influenced by Israel

By israels creation, and then by invading lebanon, palestine

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Quote by: Magnus for 200 hundred years, its been called palestine for the majority of the time

You do realise thats 20,000 years?

Quote by: shrike Link would help.

Here is your much anticipated link Iran Signs Additional Protocol on Nuclear Safeguards, that itself is an adequate proof that Iran does not impose threat on any nation whatsoever. Both USA and Israel are trying to disarm Iran, claiming that it poises danger upon neighboring countries, Iran did not breach any NPT treaty, the 1968 treaty that was signed by Iran does not deny it the right to posses’ nuclear energy for peaceful purposes – According to Article IV of the 1968 NPT - USA ‘s coerce to paralyze Iran stems from a much distinct reason. In 2004 the IAEA safeguards statement asserted that : “ As the end of 2004, 40 non-nuclear weapon states party to the NPT had not yet brought comprehensive safeguards agreement with the agency into force” Safeguards Statement for 2004 while in, Iran did in 2003, yet USA and Israel are still not convinced by Iran’s blatant disclose that it is not looking to use nuclear weapons. According to recent researches many agree that the real reason behind USA’s opposition has mainly to do with Iran being a prominent oil provider and the latter’s replacing dollars with Euros in terms of Oil payments Iran replaces dollar with euro in most oil dealings, that wasn’t a problem during the shah’s era simply because Shah was an ally to USA.

Quote by: Anmon Has it ever occurred to you, that if you guys stopped attacking Israel you would have peace?

Has it ever occured to you that there is a reason behind those attacks, it is called "retaliation"...

Quote by: shrike I am sure he wouldn't helped Christian militia he helps Shiite militia for a reason. And before that. it was called Israel so what? There was a war that not Israel started but the Arabs. Well part of the Arabs fled to other countries instead to stay those who stayed become full citizens with all the rights and more. How the living conditions of the "refuges" that live in Egypt Syria, Lebanon and etc are influenced by Israel

I have many Christian Lebanese friends who root for Hezbollah and view them as saviors, it is they who fought the Israeli occupation of Southern Lebanon if it weren't for them Lebanon would still be under Israel's invasion. And who funds them?? Iran... so they have done Lebanon a huge favor, besides you don't suppose that Iran would choose to finger pick Lebanese people according to their religion and caste during a war deciding who should live and be saved and who shouldn't do you?? Iran wants to see all Muslim nations united and prospering under a justice, USA and Israel -free rule, but unfortunately many Muslim and Arab nations are too blind to realize that.


Point being is, why didn't Israel fight for their land then?? Why choose to return back after thousands of years wanting to claim their land back from people who they and their generations have been living there for as long as they could remember?? who have prospered the land, built their houses and suddenly got raided by Jews ignoring the the existing Arab population, got displaced, got killed, and got their houses ripped apart so the Jews could build their settlements instead?? How would you like it if you were living in a house and had generations of grand children just to be invaded by people who claim that your great great great ….etc grandfather who you've never met took that house from them some thousands of years ago!!! you surly would be offended, Palestine was never named by Arabs, it was named by Romans as a means to piss the Jews off, by the time the Arabs got to Israel it was already called Palestine and was occupied by the Romans who have sent the Jews into exile.

The Arabs might have started the war, but only as a manifestation of frustration, they retaliated against Israel and the British Mandate, things escalated later on when Israel occupied lands beyond its partition.

How else would you explain their refugee’s status?? In 1948 almost 800,000 Palestinians were expelled from their land or ordered to flee, Israel resists the return of Palestinian refugees to their lands amid fear that they might dwindle the jewish intensification.

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Quote by: e_sistani Has it ever occured to you that there is a reason behind those attacks, it is called "retaliation"...

But you guys are always breaking the peace first, you do it every single time.

Quote by: Anmon But you guys are always breaking the peace first, you do it every single time.

First of all "I" am not a Palestenian, I am from Bahrain, thus the Bahraini flag. Secondly Hamas has offered Israel a truce under certain conditions, including a complete withdrawal from Israeli-occupied territories. Yet Israel refuses, in a recent poll conducted on Palestenians, about 72% of those living in Gaza strip and the west bank have opposed that Israel occupies Gaza and the west bank which has about 80% of settlements , giving to the Palestenians in return only about 2% of mass total land. and about 69% of Palestenians inhibiting Gaza strip and 52% of those in the west bank do not believe that Olmert wants to establish real peace in the region. Thus the reason why they refuse peace treaties with Israel.

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I don't believe you, you guys want to put Israel on the back foot, if they give into your demands, you will keep hounding them until they leave the middle east, thats what you really want and don't deny it.

Quote by: Anmon I don't believe you, you guys want to put Israel on the back foot, if they give into your demands, you will keep hounding them until they leave the middle east, thats what you really want and don't deny it.

Then don't believe "Us" even though I don't know what you mean by Us...I gave you facts, and you refuse to accept them. No one wants to spend a life time torn between war and conflicts just as the Israelis want peace the Palestenians desire that as well, only that they are demanding for their rightful lands back " The Israeli-occupied territories is one of a number of terms used to describe areas captured by Israel from Egypt, Jordan, and Syria during the Six-Day War of 1967. The term is generally used to refer to the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights" The Palestanians want Jerusalem back due to it's religiously significant role that it plays to both Muslims and Christians. I don't suggest that all of the Jews leave Palestine, I do however suggest that they give the Palestenian their rightful lands back, and try to reach a compromise in order for the two to live together peacefully, that is however far fetched. My whole point of the argument is that both Israel and Palestenians resort to extreme measures at times placing innocent civilians lives in danger, Just as you claim that the Palestanians are blood thirsty terrorists, so are the Israelis actions taken against Palestanians.