Wesley Snipes tax protest case heads to court

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: Rainbow That is what I try to express.

Alright, then we're in good shape.

[Roxdog]

The federal income tax goes against everything America was created to be. Only traitorous control freaks would condone it.

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: Roxdog The federal income tax goes against everything America was created to be. Only traitorous control freaks would condone it.

Ok, and?

Who condones the income tax? No one here.

[Roxdog]

You certainly don't seem to have a problem with the IRS enforcing "the law"....

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: Roxdog You certainly don't seem to have a problem with the IRS enforcing "the law"....

Yes. Our law enforcement agents should enforce the laws as written. If the laws are bad or unjust, there are proper channels through which the people can change them if enough of them agree.

Is that a foreign concept to you?

I don't "condone" the federal income tax - I think it should be repealed and insofar as the personal income tax goes, repealing it would be a good first step towards fiscal responsibility for the federal government. However, the law is the law. Do you know why some towns have those "wacky laws" still on the books? Because law enforcement stopped enforcing them. So instead of find the laws about no bathing on Mondays and no chewing gum while on the street unjust and repealing them, they sit active on the books waiting for the right tyrant to come along and begin enforcing them again.

If you want a law changed, go after the people that can change the laws.

[Roxdog]

Yes. Our law enforcement agents should enforce the laws as written. If the laws are bad or unjust, there are proper channels through which the people can change them if enough of them agree.

The "proper channels" weren't used to implement "the law", what makes you think they will work to "change" them? "Enough of them agree"? Ahhh, so you are proponant of mob rule. Its all making sense now.

Is that a foreign concept to you?

No, its just a naive pipe dream that I'm not stupid enough to believe in...

However, the law is the law.

My point exactly. A fraud is a fraud too...

Do you know why some towns have those "wacky laws" still on the books? Because law enforcement stopped enforcing them.

Most if not all of these "laws" are/were in direct conflict with the US Constitution so they aren't/weren't "the law" in the first place....

If you want a law changed, go after the people that can change the laws.

I do that everyday. But I also go after the people who should know better. I am magically able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: Roxdog The "proper channels" weren't used to implement "the law", what makes you think they will work to "change" them?

Nonsense. Show me where the tax code was implemented in an illegal way. Good luck.

"Enough of them agree"? Ahhh, so you are proponant of mob rule. Its all making sense now.

The fundamental principle of representative democracy is making sense to you only now?

No, its just a naive pipe dream that I'm not stupid enough to believe in...

Well, I agree that the federal government has massive inertia that makes change difficult, but your alternative and the alternative of WTP Congress - to wantonly disobey the law - is worse since not only will it not result in change it will result in punishment.

Most if not all of these "laws" are/were in direct conflict with the US Constitution so they aren't/weren't "the law" in the first place....

Excuse me? Show me any tax law, in either the rate scheme or the collection/enforcement procedures, currently on the books that violates the Constitution. I want specific code section and specifically how it is in violation. You can't make an absurd claim like that without support.

I do that everyday. But I also go after the people who should know better. I am magically able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

Know better than what? What are you talking about?

[ChaChynga]

Quote by: Compugasm Wow, yeah government would never do anything illegal or the police, the prosecutors, the politicians, the judges, and the machinery of government would never grind away at our liberties. Thanks for correcting me.

O no, not that one couldn't consult all the past modus operandi of said fiend to predict their future behavior. Not in the slightest.

Anyone who has studies anything about the government knows they are full of liars and crooks. In fact if you'd study anything about the law, you know to what GREAT lengths they develop to twist a simple truth into a lie to suit their evil agenda. Government is a usurper, and a destroyer to the people in it's realm... the only way to hold them accountable is through strict Christian principals which impart the repayment or death penalty where needed - without exception, with the Guns in the hands of the people, and the police in check doing what they are supposed to do instead of being the thugs in a uniform.

[tivodan1116]

oooooooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkk????

Anyway, if anyone cares to comment on issues germane to the thread, please do.

[tivodan1116]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/25/bu...afb&ei=5087%0A

Quote by: the story A federal judge on Thursday sentenced the actor Wesley Snipes to three years in prison for willfully failing to file tax returns. Mr. Snipes, who was convicted in February, received one year for each count, to be served consecutively, and an additional year of probation. The sentence was handed down by Judge William Terrell Hodges of Federal District Court. ...

[Rainbow]

Wesley (Snipes) is appealing that verdict.
Nevertheless, try not to rip off IRS, guys, because it may end up with your ass to be ripped off, instead :-)

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: Rainbow Wesley (Snipes) is appealing that verdict. Nevertheless, try not to rip off IRS, guys, because it may end up with your ass to be ripped off, instead :-)

His appeal will fail. Every defendant says they are going to appeal when the verdict comes down. Few actually do and even fewer have anything changed at the appellate level.

[Osborn F Enready]

The IRS.....

Breaking up famillies, stealing income, and stealing property with force since their inception.....

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready The IRS..... Breaking up famillies, stealing income, and stealing property with force since their inception.....

Spare me. He clearly violated the statute. The statute was duly passed by the same process as any other bill, making it a valid law. The mere fact that you disagree with the statute does not make it "stealing".

If you disagree with the statute, elect someone who thinks like you.

[Osborn F Enready]

Tivo said: Spare me. He clearly violated the statute. The statute was duly passed by the same process as any other bill, making it a valid law. The mere fact that you disagree with the statute does not make it "stealing".

Right, just like the mere fact that you support the unconstitutional violation of rightsin the 16th when applied to individuals does not make it legal, or "morally right".

Tivo said: If you disagree with the statute, elect someone who thinks like you.

I can't elect anyone, I can only vote for them.

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Right, just like the mere fact that you support the unconstitutional violation of rights in the 16th when applied to individuals does not make it legal, or "morally right".

A Constitutional Amendment cannot, by definition, be unconstitutional.

[suijurisfreeman]

There is a saying (or is it a legal maxim?), No one is above the law! Is that true? If so, why? What is the underlying presumption that few seem to understand? What is it that makes one liable under the law in this country?

[Rainbow]

Since IRS seems to work against the People, then let us assume :
- there is no IRS any longer
What are the means a state to grow, prosper, make progress, etc. ???

[GHook93]

Quote by: tivodan1116 Spare me. He clearly violated the statute. The statute was duly passed by the same process as any other bill, making it a valid law. The mere fact that you disagree with the statute does not make it "stealing". If you disagree with the statute, elect someone who thinks like you.

I agree that he violated that statute and he should be punished.However, so did Willie Nelson. I find it ironic that they coming down harder on a Black man over a White man.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Right, just like the mere fact that you support the unconstitutional violation of rightsin the 16th when applied to individuals does not make it legal, or "morally right".

I would like to see the income, property and corporate tax replaced with the fair tax. But just because you don't like something doesn't mean its unconstitutional. Income taxes and the 16th amendment are constitutional.

Article I section 8 specifically give "Congress the right to collect Tax..."
Article V gives congress the power to amend the constitution, which includes creating new amendments.
Article VII give Congres the power to ratify the constition.
The 16th amendment specifically give Congress the "power to lay and collect taxes on income.."
There is also nothing that expresses or implies that the Government can not tax income. You would be hard pressed to find it.

It is similar to when people claim that abortion is unconstitutional. They are wrong. The constitution never addressed it. People will try to apply the equal protection clause, but the legislative intent and history didn't even consider abortion at the time.

I can't elect anyone, I can only vote for them.

No you can vote for anyone you want, only the populace can elect someone.