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Praxius · Dec 9, 2007, 02:26 pm

I think Iran was right in labeling the CIA as a terrorist organization. Being behind numerous assassination attempts, the secret LSD studies on university students and other workers in the mission to test mind control, etc.... all this faulty intelligence in order to start unjust wars, now destroying evidence which proves they performed illegal torture techniques.

And the fact that they were destroyed right around the time the heat on waterboarding and torture was becoming public..... the CIA sure seems pretty corrupt, evil and totally against the best interests of anybody but those in power..... maybe that's their job.

Rainbow · Dec 11, 2007, 01:49 am

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Maybe Huckabee will go to Washington and cast out demons.

Can not stop from laughing :-)))

Praxius · Dec 11, 2007, 01:27 pm

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CTV.ca | CIA director to testify about destroyed videotapes

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WASHINGTON -- CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden faces two days of testimony behind closed doors at the Senate and House intelligence committees to answer questions about his agency's destruction of videotaped interrogations of terrorist suspects.

Hayden will answer questions Tuesday from the Senate panel and Wednesday from its House counterpart. Both are closed sessions.

Hayden told CIA employees last week that the CIA taped the interrogations of two alleged terrorists in 2002. He said Congress was notified in 2003 both of the tapes' existence and the agency's intent to destroy them.

The CIA destroyed the tapes in November of 2005. Exactly when Congress was notified and in what detail is in dispute.

Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., said the CIA claims it told the committee of the tapes' destruction at a hearing in November 2006. Rockefeller said, however, that the hearing transcript found no mention of that subject.

The House committee first learned the tapes had been destroyed in March 2007, according to Committee Chairman Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas.

In last week's message, Hayden told CIA employees that "the leaders of our oversight committees in Congress were informed of the videos years ago and of the Agency's intention to dispose of the material. Our oversight committees also have been told that the videos were, in fact, destroyed."

But Reyes said Monday that Hayden's claim that Congress was properly notified "does not appear to be true."

Reyes and ranking Republican Rep. Peter Hoekstra of Michigan have launched a committee investigation into the decision to destroy the videotapes and whether Congress was apprised. It will also scrutinize the techniques used during the interrogations.

Besides Hayden, the House panel is considering a list of other possible witnesses for future hearings that could include former CIA directors Porter Goss and George Tenet, said a committee aide who spoke on condition of anonymity because the decision has not yet been made.

Rockefeller has said the Senate panel also will conduct a full review of the episode.

GHook93 · Dec 11, 2007, 10:09 pm

Good for them! Why give the leftist anymore ammo.

I personally could care less about the terrorist at Gitmo! Not like anything that is done there will have an effect on our POW's caught by the Islamist. They will torture and murder American POW either way!

Praxius · Dec 11, 2007, 11:30 pm

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Good for them! Why give the leftist anymore ammo.

I personally could care less about the terrorist at Gitmo! Not like anything that is done there will have an effect on our POW's caught by the Islamist. They will torture and murder American POW either way!

Doesn't mean you have to stoop to their level.

Dieval · Dec 12, 2007, 12:42 pm

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Doesn't mean you have to stoop to their level.

I don't believe we have stooped to their level...that's an awfully low level....

How many prisoners down there have we beheaded and killed?

Praxius · Dec 12, 2007, 04:16 pm

Oh so you don't behead people, that makes the same actions that lead up to that point alright then, ok.

Dieval · Dec 12, 2007, 05:44 pm

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Oh so you don't behead people, that makes the same actions that lead up to that point alright then, ok.

I would say that violently killing someone by cutting their head off makes them quite a bit lower than us.

**Matt W** · Dec 12, 2007, 05:47 pm

I would say torture makes it a fine line....how many of the inmates at Gitmo have beheaded prisoners? Anyone know?

Ah yes, we don't...because they're not being granted trials.

Dieval · Dec 12, 2007, 05:56 pm

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I would say torture makes it a fine line....how many of the inmates at Gitmo have beheaded prisoners? Anyone know?

Ah yes, we don't...because they're not being granted trials.

Being granted a trial has nothing to do with how many prisoners have been beheaded there(BTW, the answer to that is 0).

**Matt W** · Dec 12, 2007, 06:04 pm

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Being granted a trial has nothing to do with how many prisoners have been beheaded there(BTW, the answer to that is 0).

No, but you seem to be implying that all of the inmates are guilty of similar crimes? I am pointing out that we don't actually know what crimes have allegedly been committed by the inmates.....because there hasn't been anything remotely resembling a fair trial.

Dieval · Dec 12, 2007, 06:33 pm

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No, but you seem to be implying that all of the inmates are guilty of similar crimes? I am pointing out that we don't actually know what crimes have allegedly been committed by the inmates.....because there hasn't been anything remotely resembling a fair trial.

The detainees there were caught on the battle field supporting al qaida or trying to kill our troops. There is nothing alleged about that.

**Jack** · Dec 12, 2007, 06:37 pm

See, we don't need a trial. They've already been convicted in the court of public, dare I say uninformed, opinion. Let the executions begin.

Dieval · Dec 12, 2007, 06:59 pm

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See, we don't need a trial. They've already been convicted in the court of public, dare I say uninformed, opinion. Let the executions begin.

Wouldn't a conviction indicate that they broke some law? Can you enlighten us as to which law they broke by trying to kill our troops or supporting al qaida, on the battle field?

**Matt W** · Dec 12, 2007, 07:33 pm

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The detainees there were caught on the battle field supporting al qaida or trying to kill our troops. There is nothing alleged about that.

By NATO troops? Really? As opposed to being randomly handed in by bounty hunters?

Praxius · Dec 12, 2007, 07:34 pm

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See, we don't need a trial. They've already been convicted in the court of public, dare I say uninformed, opinion. Let the executions begin.

Indeed, so much for Innocent Until Proven Guilty... oh yeah.... they're Enemy Non-Combatants.... or is it Enemy Combatants? They don't get the same rights to the law.

Interesting how they somehow found a new way of solving crimes.

Dieval · Dec 12, 2007, 07:41 pm

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By NATO troops? Really? As opposed to being randomly handed in by bounty hunters?

Do you know of an instance where bounty hunters turned someone in?

**Matt W** · Dec 12, 2007, 07:49 pm

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Do you know of an instance where bounty hunters turned someone in?

More to the point, shall we ask the US Defence Dept?

BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | No surprises in the war on terror

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According to the US Department of Defense, only 8% of the prisoners at Guantanamo were al-Qaeda fighters, and only 5% of them were captured by the Americans themselves.

The overwhelming majority of the others were handed over to the Americans by people who could reasonably be called bounty hunters.

**Matt W** · Dec 12, 2007, 08:06 pm

Dec 12, 2007, 05:47 pm	#29 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 7,105	I would say torture makes it a fine line....how many of the inmates at Gitmo have beheaded prisoners? Anyone know? Ah yes, we don't...because they're not being granted trials. I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Dec 12, 2007, 06:37 pm	#33 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,078	See, we don't need a trial. They've already been convicted in the court of public, dare I say uninformed, opinion. Let the executions begin. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Dec 9, 2007, 02:26 pm	#21 (permalink) (top)
Praxius Mass'Debator Posts: 4,730	I think Iran was right in labeling the CIA as a terrorist organization. Being behind numerous assassination attempts, the secret LSD studies on university students and other workers in the mission to test mind control, etc.... all this faulty intelligence in order to start unjust wars, now destroying evidence which proves they performed illegal torture techniques. And the fact that they were destroyed right around the time the heat on waterboarding and torture was becoming public..... the CIA sure seems pretty corrupt, evil and totally against the best interests of anybody but those in power..... maybe that's their job.

Dec 11, 2007, 10:09 pm	#24 (permalink) (top)
GHook93 Aristotle Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,846	Good for them! Why give the leftist anymore ammo. I personally could care less about the terrorist at Gitmo! Not like anything that is done there will have an effect on our POW's caught by the Islamist. They will torture and murder American POW either way!

Dec 12, 2007, 04:16 pm	#27 (permalink) (top)
Praxius Mass'Debator Posts: 4,730	Oh so you don't behead people, that makes the same actions that lead up to that point alright then, ok.